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10/2/2010 22:26:29  

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We all know 3200s are plagued by electrical glitches. The main one is without doubt due to the throttlebody.two weeks ago i knew nothing about throttle bodies but a month ago my car broke down-full limp mode-wouldn’t move. Turned out to be faulty throttlebody and in hindsight had been hinting for sometime with occasional cels. Many people have touched on the tb problem in the past and there are now repairs available for the tb (also known as an etm).most decent refurbs now rely on contactless replacement of the original potentiometers. Below are excerps from an organisation set up to expose the failings of the (to all intents and purposes identical to our 3200s) Volvo etm.for those interested the full details can be read at [color=#0000ff size=3]vexedvolvo.org.this explains why every 3200s throttle body will  fail and why it is preferable to go for a contactless replacement of the potentiometers and not waste £1700 on a new one which by virtue of it’s design will wear from day one.it explains why we get intermitant cels,why they go and,why they are not logged . It also goes a long way to give factual cause to what up until now has been deemed temperament,unreliability and Italian ****iness.
It is also worth noting that as the original wears the cels that it triggers are of a very intermittent nature. They will not be logged and therefore will not be recalled by maserati’s sd2 .subsequently technicians are invariable inclined to change various sensors such as lambdas or components in the hope of fixing the cause of these cels and often this is deemed as successful (until the next cel) when in actual fact it is wasteful. My own recent problems were initially diagnosed as a fuel pump problem resulting in a lot of wasted time and effort for all those concerned.
I hope this post gives owners of 3200s some useful info and those thinking of buying some knowledge and therefore confidance in the model which on balance is a phenomenal car

Despite a long history of Volvo reliability, with many of the older models still around with over 200,000 miles, the newer cars with fly-by-wire technology have an egregiously designed electronic throttle module (ETM). The design of the ETM is defective and will fail from 40,000 to over 100,000 miles. This part is not a maintenance part like tires, belts, brakes or bulbs that, while built to the best available technology, will wear out. The malfunctioning of the part can have safety threatening consequences; like dangerous stalling on a highway with decreased steering and braking control, sudden acceleration and going into a limp-home mode. Despite these facts the only solution is to replace the part with another part of the same egregious design.
Early VOLVO internal documents predict that 94% will fail before 100,000 miles. My personal opinion is the failure rate will be above 100% within this mileage, as enough will have multiple failures to more than offset those that do not experience a failure within 100,000 miles. ALL WILL FAIL as the throttle position sensor has a mechanical wearing type interface in the same way that brake pads wear out by rubbing against the metal brake disks. It is inconceivable that any software upgrade will fix a wearing part, just like a software upgrade to the ABS system will prevent the brake pads from wearing out.
Initial observation:
The Electronic Throttle Module (ETM) (see figure 1) is located at the front of the intake manifold, on the forward side of the engine.4 bolts hold the ETM to the intake manifold. ( I have not done this so you might want to refer to the VADIS disk) A six conductor electric cable connects it to the engine compartment wiring harness.

Disassembly:
Removing the front cover exposes the circuit board module and connections to the end cap circuits and the external cable. At four places Potting compound covers connections at each end, to the external cable and encapsulates a 470µF 25V capacitor.
Circuit boards:
The cover can be removed by inserting a blade in the glue joint. The circuit boards are made using DuPont ceramic thick film technology with gold, silver and silver-palladium interconnects. An explanation of the materials of construction for this exact board is found at http://www.dupont.com/mcm/applic/H-78296.html .
The advantage of the ceramic is low expansion with temperature extremes. The components are potted with a clear, elastic compound, similar in consistency to gelatin . All components are visible. All connections from the boards to the outside connections are through welded aluminum wires between the board and appropriate feed-thrus. Between the power board and the control circuit board are 11 single wire connections and 3 that are doubled. All components, except resistors, are soldered down using surface mount technology; resistors are screened (painted) on and then trimmed to value by laser. Most passive components (resistors and capacitors) are connected by screened on or photo lithography traces. Welded wire bonds connect the transistors, diodes and integrated circuits. The selection of materials and construction of these circuit boards is excellent and very appropriate for the application.
Mechanical construction of throttle shaft and throttle plate:
As would be expected, there is a throttle shaft that passes though the center of the throttle bore. The throttle butterfly is installed through a slot in the shaft and held in place with two screws that are staked in place. The shaft itself is supported by two precision sealed ball bearings. In this unit, with the throttle plate removed the throttle shaft was free to turn and showed no sign of roughness, wear or binding.
Removal of the end caps:
The connectors to the end caps can be viewed and opened by removing the potting compound. After the connections are exposed they can be unsoldered or breaking the joint open with a small chisel. The end caps serve three functions: First to seal the module from dirt or moisture intrusion, second, to contain the bus wires connecting the circuit boards to the potentiometer and drive motor field and third to contain the throttle position potentiometers.

Throttle Position Feedback Potentiometers:
The function of the potentiometer is to feed back the position of the throttle to the ETM computer. The throttle plate is stamped "86°"which appears to be the total angle that the throttle plate moves from fully closed to fully open. On each end of the throttle shaft is a plastic collar that is keyed to the throttle shaft by a "D" shaped cavity that fits onto the flat of the shaft. To this is fastened the wiper. The wiper is a single piece of conductive spring metal (material unidentified) that is divided into two sections, each further divided into 4 fingers. The wiper tips are bent at right angles so that the tips ride on the resistance film See Figure 4.
 

Figure 5 shows the position of the resistors in the end caps. The resistors are thick film carbon resistors screened (painted) on a plastic film, 0.006" thick, 0.414" wide and 1.161"long. Note the grooves that are worn into the thick film carbon resistor.

As shown in the schematic in Figure 6, the wiper picks a voltage off of the lower resistor and carries it to the upper resistor.
The theory for the two resistors can be found at  http://www.auto-solve.com/etc.htm. Signals from the two potentiometers are compared to allow the position of the throttle plate to be calculated with great accuracy. Since it is critical to know the throttle position accurately any degradation of the signals from the potentiometer would throw the ETM computer and its program into spasms.

Figure 7 are photos of the thick film resistor. The top is backlit to show the absence of the resistance material. Dusting with powder enhances the visibility of the wear grooves in the lower view.
Left End cap:
At this end is the drive motor (also referred to as a servomotor) for moving the throttle shaft shown in Figure 8. With the throttle plate removed the throttle shaft can be removed. The armature is a strong circular magnet 1.25" in diameter by 1" long. The field winding is a toroid with copper wound around a cylinder 1.5" inside diameter, 2" outside diameter and 1" long.
The armature magnet is polarized N/S, perpendicular to the shaft. Thus by controlling the current in the toroid, the field is shifted so that the throttle shaft follows. Essentially it is a DC (direct current) motor but instead of the magnet continually chasing the rotating magnetic field around a circle, it follows the magnetic field as it moves back and forth through 86°.
Right end of the casting:
At the right end of the ETM, keyed to the throttle shaft by the D flat, is a 2 diameter disk. There are two adjustable, but locked and sealed pins, one on each side of the disk. The inside pin (the one behind the disk) aligns with a stop that adjusts the no power position of the throttle. Under no power conditions the edge of the throttle plate is about 0.040 inch open. This stop is spring loaded so the throttle plate can be driven fully closed against this spring by the servomotor.
The outside stop (the one on the near side of the plate) is about ¼ " away from its outside pin under no power conditions. When the disk is pushed against the outside pin a thin crescent of light can be seen around the periphery of the throttle plate. The clearance is about 0.001 inch as measured with paper shims of varying thickness. When moving the disk against this pin there is a significant spring resistance from the backside stop. This acts as a stop effectively holding the throttle open under no power condition.
Normal idle is less than 20 mph; which means the throttle servomotor is bi-directional and can drive the throttle more open for higher speed but also more closed for idle and creep.
Summary:
Other than the selection and design of the throttle feedback potentiometers the construction is excellent. The casting is smooth and free of voids. All internal surfaces were clean with no traces of carbon or oil contamination. The internal machined surfaces are mirror bright. The throttle bore had only a slight bit of carbon type buildup. The circuit boards and construction are very appropriate for the application. Visual examination shows no signs of thermal damage. The throttle plate position stops were of a reinforced thermoset plastic. They were free of any damage and their movement was smooth with no binding. The movement of the throttle shaft was smooth and when against the full closed position there was no sign of binding or sticking that would require throttle bore cleaning



ETM Failure Analysis
Summary:
The final failure mode for the Volvo Electronic Throttle Module, made by Magneti Marelli in Italy and used on 1999, 2000 and 2001, 70 and 80 series Volvos, is the wearing out of the resistor film on the two throttle butterfly position potentiometers.
The time to failure is determined by the repetitive movement of the potentiometer wiper across the softer thick film resistor. Thus, in-town stop and go driving with many throttle movements per mile will wear out the potentiometer film faster than long distance driving with few throttle movements per mile.
Construction:
See the construction Details of Volvo Electronic Throttle Module and Failure Mechanism report for nomenclature and parts location.
Observations:
As the wiper moves across the resistance element, it, first polishes the tracks where it contacts the resistance element then carves grooves in the thick film resistor. The more it cycles, the deeper the grooves. In one area the grooves are deep enough that the resistance film is completely removed and light can be seen through the backing film. This failure was only observed with one potentiometer. The other end is of similar construction, though the resistance material has not yet been scraped completely away, though there are clear tracks and an accumulation of resistance material at the end of the track.
Without this signal the ETM shuts itself down, and preventing the ETM from possibly going into a runaway engine mode. When the computer shuts down springs and stops in the end cap move the throttle to the limp-home mode, about 20 mph.
Notice the wear areas on the thick film resistor below. You can see where the grooves are deep enough to expose the plastic backing. In the lower element, the wear is not as extensive but there is sufficient wear to give an open circuit signal to the computer. In only this one specific throttle position would the driveability problems occur. The wear corresponds to the position the wiper fingers would rest on while at idle and slow speed operation.
The debris picked up from the resistance element is shown below


Wear tracks, 60X original magnification
This clearly illustrates the wear tracks on the throttle position sensor potentiometer film. The width of the wear area, shown by arrow, is just over 1 millimeter. The orange area is the plastic substrate. By the location of the wear area it is possible to tell if the vehicle was mostly an in city, short trip driver or a freeway commuter that drove consistently at highway speeds. There is NO way that this wear can be prevented by a change in the software, though the rate of wear may be reduced.
. However in the case of the ETM it can be just an erroneous or momentary loss of signal from the throttle position sensor to the ETM computer. Turning off the engine and restarting often clears the pending code so no signal is present when you go into the dealer. Say you drive home from work 20 miles away and you get a fault at highway speeds. The next morning you drive to the dealer without experiencing the fault. This, no fault driving cycle clears the pending code so there is none for the dealer to read. They tell you it is nothing to worry about and send you on your way.
    So if you get a message that indicates a problem, pull off to a safe area, stop the car, turn off the engine. Then restart the car and continue on you way, driving at the same speed and manner and hope you can get the code again.

Conclusions:
The construction of this potentiometer is obviously not suitable for the application. Considering that in the life of the car there will be multiple millions of cycles of the throttle, the action of the hard metallic finger tips riding on the soft thick film carbon resistor element is a designed-in shortcoming that will result in an estimated 100% or more, failure rate in the life of the Volvo automobile.
In summary then the magnetti marelli throttle body has been manufactured-perhaps unintentially as a wear item akin to a brake disc or clutch. Over in America Volvo owners have not accepted this and after alot of ducking and diving Volvo have capitulated .volvo’s later and now successful fix is a new etm with contactless potentiometers. ( they originally tried  cleaning and software revisions all to no avail though because it did not address the wiper contact issue.
Obviously here we’re not likely to get much joy from maserati with our old motors so i think it is beneficial to accept this as a wearing part. The cost of refurb for the part to become a full life of vehicle part is around £500 (a few on the forum do this the most notable being david askew) it should be borne in mind then that when purchasing a 3200 if the tb has not had such modification then depending on how long you keep the vehicle you will be looking at doing this along with other notably expensive wearing items eg clutch.lower wishbones,shock actuators,shocks,discs,starter motors etc.
Know and accept these items and you’ll love your 3200. If you think you can buck the trend than goodluck, i wish you well. Good chance you’ll find Italian bitemarks on your bum though!!

Regards

Rob swallow

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10/2/2010 22:29:41  

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What a good read, I did read a lot about the vexed volvo owners whilst I was experiencing CELs when I had my 3200, got to admit it's the achilles heel of the 3200.
I paid for a "part worn" (pardon the pun) throttle body from Autoshield which at the time sorted my car out, up to that point the limp home mode had started to get me down a bit once the CELs started to come they became more and more frequent, would like to hear anyones reports regarding the contactless mod that is available, by Boomerang on the forum if I remember correctly.
I don't want to open up the old can of worms debate about 3200/4200s but my 4200s been ultra reliable, if the throttle body issue gets resolved on any 3200 it should also become a more sorted car in my opinion, I have owned both models so feel qualified to pass comment .
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so you found the volvo vexed site, the link to the potmeter explanation is still broken....

My first etm failure was not due to the potmeters, but because of a desintegrated e-motor spindle inside the ETM. The debris were completely blocking the rotation of the valve.
This happened at a speed of 60 .mi
The ETM has been replaced with a (used) one. 6 months later the ETM caused rpm surges so i decided to open it up. The potmeter tracks showed wear at the 1100 RPM area. I have a 3200gta,
so this is around idling, traffic starts/stops. Cleaning the tracks extended the life for a few more months.
Currently i am trying to get it rebuilt with a contactless sensor which is the perfect fix.

Some other facts:

-The resistance values of the volvo in your post differs from the maserati potmeters, at least mine.
-Only 1 potmeter needs to be replaced as the new contactless has 2 angle sensors already. Probably the other is bypassed (need to check)
-The volvo ETM also gets new software, ie the 'dead band' is increased. Be aware not to get the 3200 ETM flashed, our ETM uses one more pin on the connector then the volvo one,
also the comms protocol running over the CAN bus might be different then volvo's.
-At this moment, its difficult to get hold of the contactless sensors for DIY.
-Check engine codes are stored in memory. Even if CEL is cleared in the dash, the SD tester can read it lateron (at least my tester)


rgds
Marcel


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An absolutely superb post! Thanks very much for the info Rob

Regards

Mike
11/2/2010 6:37:58  

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Bugger me Rob  thats a post and a half  , and  i thought i had winter blues ,  well done mate that 'll go along way to  clarify  things  from now on  for the boomerang owners , as you say worth  changing over as a preventative issue rather than wait till the cels  start     

Be even better if the refurb price could be more realistic £500 is still well over priced in my view    Its one of those things  that needs the myth busting,   price wise , bit like the F1 pump    think people charge what they think they can get away with rather than  what its worth ,    sign of the times i suppose


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Currently i am trying to get it rebuilt with a contactless sensor which is the perfect fix.



Does this mean that the contactless rebuild solution suggested by Boomerang on the Dutch board is unavailable or problematic?
11/2/2010 8:36:47  

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A very interesting post Rob. Fprgive me if I missed it whilst reading, but what did you do?.....replace/refurb with original or replace with contactless?
11/2/2010 11:27:56  

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Great post Rob,   very interesting

had mine done with David Askew  cost £350  no idea though if he used cantactless bits though??
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I had the contactless Volvo refurb done by boomerang on my 3200GTA and it has run faultlessly since (only 2months ago so there is time yet!) . so i don't think there appear to be any basic problems with it, it worked first time, I did a throttle pot calibration just in case but really no problems at all.

Boomerang did say the crowd in Canada who do this work might not carry on doing it, so i am not sure if its still available, but if it is i would recommend it as it certainly changed my 3200 from a temperamental car to a very solid one.

Pretty much all cars nowadays have throttle potentiometers, and it is a well known fact they wear out. i think they are also prone to failing more quickly if the sensor get s hot, my old TVR S2 used to go through one a year because it was near the exhaust! So i think the heat under the bonnet of the 3200 does not help here.

great post by the way, we don't usually get this much detail!!!



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great post with a lot of detail!!
For the record..... I represent XEMODex (canadian company doing the refurb of the volvo throttlebody) in the uk. I have so far done several conversions to the contactless pots (including my own) with great success. Only one was not succesful and this was because the ECU was damaged. the cost is £500 +VAT and this is based on a supplied faulty unit. I cant recomend enough however, getting a diagnosis done before to confirm the errors the ETM generates are related to the potentiometers. The other failure is the spindle seizure due to swarf in the motor side. This is something I deal with as well, as part of the refurb. This upgrade also carries a lifetime warranty on the potensiometers ie they will not fail ever again as there are no contacting parts. PM if you are intrested

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Taking into account mixed driving  can we get 3200 owners to quote there mileage at the time of having to renew thre throttle body , might give us an idea  of when there likely to go   say between 40 and 60 k miles  or so

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Loz,
mine was around 48k. however i think its more to do with usage rather than milage. lots of idling, low demand driving is more likely to wear out the pot tracks. It would be intresting to quote usage along with milage ie town, high speed (!), mixed.

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The TB was about the only part of my 3200 that did not break, must have been born under a lucky star!
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matt

they don't break they wear-the whole point of the post. in your period of ownership your potentiometre film has been wearing through.obviously not enough to cause you a problem but it will hit the next owner or the next....

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A very interesting post Rob. Fprgive me if I missed it whilst reading, but what did you do?.....replace/refurb with original or replace with contactless?


i gave mine to david askew. i was informed by another forum member who has just had his done that davids repairs were contactless. david however was less forthcoming to me on detail and merely stated 3 levels of refurb-£350/3 month guarantee,£470/6 month guarantee,or £690/12 month guarantee. i chose the middle ground. dropped the tb to him on mon-picked it up fixed on wed. i trust david implicitly, i have heard varying reports of others' efforts to refurbish-mostly bad.

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You can easily detect if the unit was converted to contactless, just look at the left side of the mounted ETM (seen from the front of the car) and check for the "Sacer" cap.
Don't know for shure about the canadian version, but if it is contactless also, at least the left cap should look different from the right one.
In every case, the left cap should not mention Magneti Marelli anymore. 

Contactless:



Traditional resistorfoil magneti Marelli:




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hi marcel
yes the pot valus may differ as do some of the physical sizes. the comparison is merely to get and understanding of how and why these units wear.
i'm suprised you state cel codes are stored. the above text states a 'no fault driving cycle clears the pending code so there is none for the dealer to read'.my sd2 equipped indy  told me no codes were stored on mine after i mentioned i'd had some cels.

i think it would be useful for 3200 owners who have been down this road to let us know if codes were stored and as loz suggests the milage . the type of driving might be pertinant too.

mine failed at 76k,no codes stored,mixed driving.

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