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5/9/2009 10:47:31  

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Since: 22/12/2006
Region: Chichester, West Sussex
Status: offline 		I said I would do this if the FD Group buy goes well, and it has, thanks to everyone for their input.

Now, the exhaust is the next, and to be honest, final piece that I want to improve.

Although the exhaust on the GS is good and the valves work very well, its just not raucous enough for me.

What I am after, is getting our own system developed, by an independent exhaust builder, then offering it at a low cost in the form of a group buy.

Loz is helping me on this one, and he is talking to Larini at present, but I know, although good, its going to be very expensive, and that is something I think we can get round.

Initial thoughts are to keep the back boxes (on the gs and offer a 42 replacement) then bin everything forward of that point, getting rid of the highly restrictive x pipe, and squish pipes. Also I would like to discard 2 of the 4 cats and have only 2, 100 cell sports cats.

There are a few clearance issues, the performance gain will be significant. The target price for this, based on retaining your original GS back boxes is less than £1k, much less to be honest based in the form of a group buy.

Although nothing has been done other than discussion and outlining, can you please use this thread to express if you are interested or not, plus any feature you would require.

The whole point of this exercise is to get better performance, with a gain of +30hp minimum quiet in standard mode with all hell braking loose in sport. I may even look into an option of having the back box valves wired into a switch so you can still have sport without all the noise.

Feel free to get involved, thanks for you input!
5/9/2009 12:46:24  
 

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Since: 19/8/2009
Region: london
Status: offline 		Hi.
Well up for this, with the DBW modification we have on order and this should make it the car it should have been.

If any help required pls contact.

A
5/9/2009 13:54:12  

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Status: offline 		Thanks CM, keep an eye on this thread, and developments should be made over the coming weeks.
5/9/2009 16:55:29  

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Since: 11/8/2008
Region: Goffs Oak
Status: offline 		Conaero,

You've desribed exactly what I'm after!

As things stand I'm intending to use ProSpeed in cardiff - £600 plus VAT all in (i think)  for what you described based on my chat with Charlie who runs it...and thats without any group discount.... plus he comes recommended it seems....

I appreciate wales seems like a trek for some, but it's only 150 miles from London!, and what better place than the valleys to try out the new soundtrack!

Having said that If there's an alernative suggested  / chosen by the group buy I'll certainly consider it....

Cheers, S

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5/9/2009 19:19:33  

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Status: offline 		Simon, Pro Speed is one of the guys I want to contact. If your close, can you drop in and show him this thread and have a chat with him to get his thoughts.

I know Pat/Masersod had his done there. I have heard it, too quiet for me, but in the right direction.

It would be great if he could make a template and ship it as required, so we can get them fitted at our garage of our choice maybe?

If we get a decent group buy, I recon 5-10 unit could be very achievable....got to be worth a 25% discount!

Let me know how you get on, worth hanging on for a couple of months maybe?
6/9/2009 0:33:54  

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Since: 16/3/2007
Region: Bristol
Status: offline 		Charlie will customize the sound to suit. I asked him to make mine quieter than normal due to early starts, etc. He actually did too good a job, if anything; I wouldn't mind it a little louder than it is, but it is good to know nonetheless that you can still get the benefits of a stainless steel freeflow system without having to wake the neighbourhood. Clearance to date has not been a problem, despite the lowering with the FD springs and the fact that the pipes are not 'pinched' like the originals just after the pre-cats.

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6/9/2009 15:33:35  

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Status: offline 		Pat, I see from your under body pics in the 'Gransport Hardening' thread, that you have quite a lot of resonators in the mid section, I am sure you could try loosing a few to give you the sound.
6/9/2009 15:59:32  


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Status: offline 		I have posted on the Forum about Prospeed and Charlie previously.....

Prosport  is the only place for me. Charlie has already made a de-catted mid section for the Ghibli for the track this is better than expected, it allows the turbos to spool up quicker and release more power earlier. We already had larini back boxes and for a turbo car sounds pretty good.

I have seen the work he has done to open open up the restricted 4200 mid sections (Lewis did you get yours done?) and fully intend to take the Spyder to him for this treatment in due course. With just a couple of sports cats and opened piping the result is very rewarding. I would be inclined to fit Larini back boxes later but would consider Charlie's input on this too.

To be honest I am not that interested in the sound just the better delivery of power and in fact I am very keen to keep the noise below 98db for sure so as not to have issues at the tracks!

Couple of points....

Firstly: Charlie makes custom exhausts and therefore makes each unit to suit and in the case of the  Ghibli welded new flanges to the exhausts to make fitting easier without disturbing the manifolds as the existing flanges are fairly in accessible, I think this is so for the 4200 too......it also seems that each maser has a slightly "individual" exhaust....the larinis for the Ghibli were a fair fit but we rejected 3 sets of Quicksilvers (they were very good about conceding defeat!) before switching to Larinis The mid section is potentially worse depending on how much "persuasion" Luigi used at the factory. So it is unlikely that you will get a good fit from a template / pattern item. Charlie takes great pride in his custom work. The car needs to be in his workshop for about 4 to 6 hours but it it well worth the journey expecially home after!

Secondly: He has done group buys for other marques, He has a business head so no doubt would be agreeable. I am all for getting a discount but remember he is a small business doing an honest job in tough times!

Your target price seems high at £1K He decatted the Ghibli for £200 plus Vat. Add the two sports cats and the numbers Simon has at £600 plus Vat seems about Right? so it is really a question of how much he can improve on this but let's face it he ain't dear in the first place for custom work which is why we went there in the first place.

In fact I organised the Llandow track day for the forum because I took the Ghibli to Charlie for the work to be done!

I am in Hampshire right down on the south coast but can assure anyone it is well worth a day trip to Cardiff!

Who ever makes contact give him my regards!

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6/9/2009 17:58:17  

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Since: 11/5/2005
Region: Thames Valley
Status: offline 		Agree with everything Malcolm has said.
Just to add, based on my experience of them I would not use Larini again, I think I've posted on here in the past why - just MHO.


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6/9/2009 18:36:34  

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Since: 11/8/2008
Region: Goffs Oak
Status: offline 		I'd be happy to give him a buzz and report back - If there's no major rush I travel to sth wales this week so I might be able to visit him personally on Thursday (i find it helps with these things?)...

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6/9/2009 18:39:39  

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Since: 22/12/2006
Region: Chichester, West Sussex
Status: offline 		Great input, like you said, if I can get it for £600 for what I want, then I would not even suggest a discount.

What I am more interested in, is the development of the correct system.

I think the best thing to do would be to have the minimum system.....existing back boxes, new front sports cats and straight through for the rest of it. If its silly, add in a resonator on each pipe....or have it as an easy swap in piece to tone it down. I only want the savage noise for Le Mans and things like that. I would still want it to pass an emission test with just the 2 cats, and not the 4.

Simon, please do, give him this paragraph above and get his thoughts. Its a starting point. If you can get him to give us an idea of price, based on developing one with me first, probably take all day getting it right, then the possibility of 5 to 10 more off the back of it.

< Message edited by conaero -- 6/9/2009 18:45:18 >
6/9/2009 19:26:19  

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Since: 5/6/2007
Status: offline 		Hi  rich ,  just did the search ,


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(However I'll give you my own experiences.  Quicksilver did not fit (cat back) despite them sending different exhaust three times and three attempts to fit!  Larini did fit (only just and only after serious serious modification by Bill Mcgrath), however I'm not happy with the finish or the sound .

That being said it is for a Ghibli, which is the Maserati model before the 3200). unquote

That was 3 years ago,  sounds like Larini have moved and progressed on from then,  seeing as they are generally accepted for Ferrair/maserati/Lamborghini, with many many excellent referrals , and seems Jeff at FD  finds them satifactory enough to be  one of there agents for the states.

Im in talks and have the car booked in with them  for the end of the month, Now  i would like the Larini scream having lived with the Tubi on the 4200 for over 18 onths  and still love it to death  that burble  and popping on downshifts  always grin producing, Have heard a few  4200 s with the larini  and thought     hmm  i'd like that aswell   more of a scream than a burbling growl ,

My remit to them was to keep the valve system , so as  to have it a little louder than stock when in normal mode , but when in sport i want the heavens to open

Same as Matt  as regards to replace the first cats  with sports cats that will be mot passable
To remove the quish pipe and secondry cats and new pipes through to the boxes


As well Sound , Power gains will be an obvious advantage 


Larini's approach has been understanding and  excellent so far as they are willing to work towards what i want to achieve , which is to have new all stainless steel rear boxes keeping the vacuum butterfly valve sytem ( they are developing their own butterfly system)  which will work on the GS sport mode system ,  but will try to see if it can also be linked to and on/off switch to make it completey usable when ever ,

As to the sports cats and replacing the quish pipe they are happy to try different
configurations so the best and optimum power/sound results can be achieved

I cant ask more than that from one of the best and most well renowned exhaust manufacturers can I     they get my thumbs up so far  just for their helpfulness

Sound great guys

regards loz


< Message edited by lozcb -- 6/9/2009 19:27:28 >

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6/9/2009 19:51:35  

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Since: 22/12/2006
Region: Chichester, West Sussex
Status: offline 		Larini, had them on the 3200, simply awesome!

Pricey, but awesome!

Had to send one back as it started to rust on the tailpipe, but they arranged it with my local garage, and paid for it all, so no complaints really.
6/9/2009 20:29:05  


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Status: offline 		Hey Simon I will be in south Wales on Tuesday what day are you up there fancy meeting up for a late lunch?

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6/9/2009 22:11:10  

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Since: 11/5/2005
Region: Thames Valley
Status: offline 		Fair enough chaps, it sounds like they have moved on. However you know what it's like, once you've experienced something, be it good or bad, you are left with that impression going forwards.

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6/9/2009 22:16:45  

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Since: 11/8/2008
Region: Goffs Oak
Status: offline 		you got my PM Malcolm - let's do the next Thurs your there - the valleys won't know what hit em!

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6/9/2009 22:25:05  


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Since: 11/5/2005
Status: offline 		The bad news is I will be in the Merc if it is a clent day! they just dont get the Masrers!

Re the exhausts:

Tubi are the reverred mareket leaders

Larini the next

Qicksilver after that

Take out the marketing, advertising and hype and the costs incurred to cover and Charlie at Prospeed is just as good and maybe even better IMO He knows his stuff for sure...

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7/9/2009 15:48:59  

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Since: 26/7/2008
Status: offline 		Regarding the Ghibli exhaust issue, ... even the factory exhausts don't fit that well. That was pointed out to me by Marios at Autoshield and Bill McGraths when I was doing research on buying and maintaining a Ghibli. The cars were very much the last of the 'old school' Maseratis. So, I really wouldn't blame Larini for the Ghibli fit being not like a glove. Their system fitted whereas the Quicksilver system never did. That tells a story in itself. I have had 4 of their systems on my 3200/4200's ranging from back boxes to full systems. The reason they are reveered as the Maserati exhaust guys is simple - they used to run Masers hence they have a full range of products that sound awesome and perform well too ;) They are very easy to deal with, as Loz is finding out, and they have never given me the hard sell or messed me around. But more importantly, their stuff really is that good on the 3200 models onwards. Jeff at Formula Dynamics only sells a few parts, but Larini is one of them. And he knows his Masers.

Having heard most of the alternatives out there, being a fussy git, and can assure you they are the best. And that very rarely comes cheaply. If Prospeed could tune a Maser to sound as good as a Larini equipped car I would be stunned and surprised.


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