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13/8/2009 13:14:48

Safrane

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I have noticed from time to time postings about F1 Pumps failing. To date I only know of one which is well documented on here. Is this just scare mongering to make people buy the GT Manual box?

With that in mind can any one state if their pump has given any problems or not. I'm not talking about a one off where you could not get a gear, or the red-light came on, moreover the pump conking out so it had to be replaced. I will kick it off and Bu**er to superstition

Safrane 4200, 18 months no problems.

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13/8/2009 13:25:00

dolomiah

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I was about to reply to Boomerang's post about this - I think it's also much less of a problem than people may think. Clutch is a consumable item like brakes and petrol(!) so doesn't count.

Despite some 'oddities', my car is a daily drive and has not let me down.

4 months, no problems (I am touching wood and keeping fingers crossed, unlike Safrane!)

13/8/2009 16:29:28

lozcb

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One of the reasons which contributed to the scaremongering , is that up untill around 2 years ago it was quite common for dealers to charge in excess of a £1000 for a pump , and another £5/600 to fit it , add the vat and a few incidentals and you have a bill for £2000

Now its more common to Pay £5/600 for a new pump and £2/300 for fitting ,     and now there is even the facility to get the pump refurbed   for around £167 plus vat

All my time on here and i only know of 3 pumps which have gone( one was mine ) out of around 50 odd cars   so its no big deal now and no big bill either

regards loz

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13/8/2009 17:40:13

richardc

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Hear hear.

I would add that I don't believe clutch wear is as scary as is made out either. There are a lot of people seeing tens of thousands of miles from the dual-plate clutches now fitted.

However I think there is a weak point to be aware of. The clutch springs can fail, prematurely ending the life of the clutch itself. I think my car has that now - Conaero posted in detail about it a while back which was very helpful. Symptoms are slow getaways and sounds of a disagreement going on in the gearbox when you want 1st or reverse, and you can provoke clutch slip if you floor it in high gears.

Another myth to burst is that it costs the earth to replace the clutch - it doesn't have to if you shop around. I'm with Dolomiah, it's a consumable for a supercar you drive every day.

13/8/2009 20:12:45

Colb

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So . . . relatvely speaking it seems to me that the GT (which I have so I'm biased) is less likely to go wrong

fact is no F1 pump or other bits/electric gremlins, no idea what as dont have a CC, but there are LOADS of posts of getting stuck in neutral etc etc - so must be true ?

Colb

13/8/2009 20:38:53

Safrane

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OK...so just 4 posts and were have already slipped into GT v CC. Lets stick to the post title PLEASE,

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13/8/2009 20:45:11

lozcb

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There are positives and negatives to owning both Colb ,

As a CC owner myself i would ask you how you survive with only half a grin ,
your missing out on so much in a cc owners view, and to boot as a manual owner you will have regular trips to the dealer/indie to have your gear cables adjusted as they stretch, so as not to have a notchy first and 2nd gear change

Horses for courses i reckon but both excellent fun in their own very individual ways,

regards loz

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13/8/2009 21:04:19

Colb

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Safrane/Dolo

Post wasn't meant to be an invitation for usual 'mines better than yours' thing, on that issue - you buy what you want and that's as far as it goes.

Personally I prefer the drive experience in my 4200GT even compared to my colleagues '58 GT

Grin is dependant on what makes you grin

Nevertheless I can't understand how the logic of less moving parts=less to go wrong is taken as derogatory by CC drivers

unless I'm wrong on the moving parts thing ?

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13/8/2009 21:13:20

Colb

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having said that . . . . Safrane is right, it is off subject and I am not qualified/experienced to make any comment ref F1 pumps

cheers anyway

Colb

13/8/2009 21:25:37

barbuckle

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Coming back to the original question then, and just (once more) for the record.

The F1 pump in my 02 CC threw in the towel without warning (22K miles or so on the clock for what its worth - although I had only owned it for the last 3K). As it was changing down stopping at a junction it simply hesitated between second and first - then gave up in neutral with the warning light/buzzer on. No gears is certainly a little "annoying". The original 02's are not really the best guide as hardware and software improvements have been made since to the CC system. I hope I never add to this stat!

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13/8/2009 22:26:03

BigFoot

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Friend of mine in Tokyo with a Spyder had his pump die at around 30k km, just after parking the car. One thing with pumps failing that it is hard to know is whether the actual pump is kaput or the relay has gone, which apparently trigger the same reaction from the SD3 reader.

Most dealers would simply replace the pump though I suspect a few might have been replaced even though the only faulty part was the relay.

Anyway, it's just me speculating so ignore me

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14/8/2009 12:34:24

dolomiah

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Hi Colb - I didn't read it that way so I certainly haven't taken any offence. Your point has an objective observation that the CC box has more moving parts and electronics etc. than the manual and therefore there *is* a greater chance of a failure occurring in the CC models. That is the engineer in me knowing this to be true. However I think Safrane's point for this post is that the problem is not as bad as might be thought - i.e. the chances of failure are not so much higher that it should put people off. I love the CC box - for me it makes my 4200 even more special. Also consider that the GranSport only has the CC box - so it can't be that unreliable.

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ORIGINAL: Colb

Safrane/Dolo

Post wasn't meant to be an invitation for usual 'mines better than yours' thing, on that issue - you buy what you want and that's as far as it goes.

Personally I prefer the drive experience in my 4200GT even compared to my colleagues '58 GT

Grin is dependant on what makes you grin

Nevertheless I can't understand how the logic of less moving parts=less to go wrong is taken as derogatory by CC drivers

unless I'm wrong on the moving parts thing ?

strange

14/8/2009 14:48:47

bigbob

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On the GT vs CC point, I think a lot of the problem is that many GT owners (me included) don't know what our cars don't have, 'bits' wise that you get on a CC car.

PS Never see the point in the GT vs CC debate anyway as Maserati sold five (?) times as many CC cars so GT owners are such a small minority.

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14/8/2009 15:29:15

Phil H

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bigbob

PS Never see the point in the GT vs CC debate anyway as Maserati sold five (?) times as many CC cars so GT owners are such a small minority.

Quite

CC's are so common, don't you think?

14/8/2009 15:30:23

bigbob

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Interestingly we are both SuperMembers but you have posted five times as many times as me!

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14/8/2009 15:46:30

Phil H

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Well stap me vitals and hoist me own petard, I've been rumbled.

LOL

14/8/2009 16:16:05

dolomiah

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C'mon all we need to get back on topic as I think I can feel Safrane getting restless! So CC owners tell us how your car has been in terms of F1 gearbox related stuff and how long you've had your car. I should have also said would be good to know the mileage and age of your cars (and age and mileage of problems if any). So I'll re-post my info again (this may need to go under the 'Running Report' section of the forum at some stage - Birdcage?)

Year = 2002
Mileage = 30,000
Model = 4200
Gearbox = CC
Ownership: 4 months
Problems : None

14/8/2009 16:43:56

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OK, not a long term test, but:
vehicle 4200 CC
year 2002/3
Mileage 34,000
History unknown
Problems: none apart from slight squeal on take-off.
Mileage in my ownership: c. 500

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