Ghibli v Porsche 911

MaseratiForum.co.uk

Logged in as: Guest

MaseratiForum Maserati Cars A6G-Merak, BiTurbo era, Ghibli, QP IV Ghibli v Porsche 911

Ghibli v Porsche 911

[1] 2 next > >>

Member

Message

2/7/2009 18:32:43

uberview

Posts: 11
Since: 2/7/2009
Status: offline

Hello chaps, just signed up to the forum having run 3 Lancia Integrales Evo's, Maserati Merak and a Ferrari 348 I'm getting a little bored with Frankfurters and Beer and prefer an Italian diet.

I'm looking for a LHD Ghibli(Cup ideally). I do about 30,000 miles a year, so my Big Question - Is a Ghibli a practical solution over my current Porsche 911/993.

Appreciate comments.

thanks

Chris

4/7/2009 19:05:49

tbody

Posts: 579
Since: 26/7/2008
Status: offline

I have owned a number of Porsches and find them massively overrated. If you put a large amount of money into maintaining a 993 you can stomach it as they hold their value quite well, and sell relatively quickly come resale time. That was not always the case with the Ghibli, which I have owned, but now the market seems a bit more active for good models and depreciation has levelled off now. Yes, they are reliable but like most Masers will suffer from lots of annoying niglles and such, but the car has a charm all of it's own. I prefered the practicality of it over my later 3200 and prefered it's stealth looks too.

If you are going to do 30k a year get friendly with an Indy, and be awarewith the Cup, as they seem to be the most maintenance heavy cars of the Ghibli family, but offer one hell of a good time. Think the charm of a BMW e30 m3 but with more power! Hope that helps.

6/7/2009 9:12:35

del mar

Posts: 214
Since: 22/3/2007
Status: offline

Nobody will ever come up to you in a car park and say what is that - of the porsche ! The Ghibli is a rare car and does prompt interest when you park up.

The 911 will be better built but can be expensive to maintain if things do go wrong. I don't think the Cup is a maintenance nightmare, but parts are expensive and you really need to find somebody that knows what they are doing when it comes to servicing. The thing that really hurts is that parts such as discs for a 911 are cheap, with a more common/popular car everybody makes spares for them, a lot of Ghibli parts are main stealer only.

The rear seats are probably slightly bigger in the Ghibli and it has a bigger boot.

If you are looking for a LHD one, try to get an Orange one - the colour has grown on me, although resale may be tricky !!

Del

6/7/2009 17:21:57

uberview

Posts: 11
Since: 2/7/2009
Status: offline

tbody and Del mar(cafe?)

thanks for the input. I agree the 911 is overrated kinda why I'm looking at a Ghibli, its the polar opposite. On the point of discs whats their cost and other general wear items, pads etc..?

I'll pass on an Orange Ghibli, I'd look like some 'tan shop owner from Cheshire'..

chris

6/7/2009 22:58:02

marcos

Posts: 624
Since: 22/10/2007
Status: offline

I wouldn't do 30k miles in a Ghibli or a 911 for that matter

100k or so in 3 years, the car is finished, both mechanically and from a point of resale

Get a cheap comfy snotter (Range Rover) for 20k of them and the Ghibli might survive 10k /yr.

_____________________________

Lewis

4200GT - Nettuno with tan
Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
Jaguar S-Type 4.0

6/7/2009 23:46:05

tbody

Posts: 579
Since: 26/7/2008
Status: offline

Hi Chris, give Martin, parts department, at Stratstone Maserati Ferrari in Manchester a call. He is a really laid back friendly guy and will give you all the advice on parts and prices you need without the hard sell. Top man that guy! Also, give the chaps at Meridien Modena a call in the parts department. Numbers on t'interweb. INFACT...also check out the awesome www.Eurospares.co.uk website as prices and parts are listed there. Easy.

7/7/2009 6:33:24

jonnycorcutt

Posts: 36
Since: 24/5/2007
Status: offline

regarding the mileage, as long as the car is warmed up and down ok and the majority of the 30k/year is highway cruising it shouldn't be a problem if the car is well serviced... it's just that you'll run through the service routine rather quickly, cam belt job every other year means you're guaranteed to be paying a couple of grand every other year.

i'd probably want to do an engine rebuild every 100k... so every 3-4 years a few more grand. the point being, the routine servicing is expensive before you even tackle the non-routine stuff.

but... the car is half the price of a similar 911... so that pays for the first few years of servicing.

7/7/2009 9:44:44

del mar

Posts: 214
Since: 22/3/2007
Status: offline

Discs - Tarox do some grooved ones for £150 each, i was quoted very similar from Maserati.
Pads - EBC red stuff £100.

Del

8/7/2009 9:19:42

uberview

Posts: 11
Since: 2/7/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: jonnycorcutt

regarding the mileage, as long as the car is warmed up and down ok and the majority of the 30k/year is highway cruising it shouldn't be a problem if the car is well serviced... it's just that you'll run through the service routine rather quickly, cam belt job every other year means you're guaranteed to be paying a couple of grand every other year.

i'd probably want to do an engine rebuild every 100k... so every 3-4 years a few more grand. the point being, the routine servicing is expensive before you even tackle the non-routine stuff.

but... the car is half the price of a similar 911... so that pays for the first few years of servicing.

Exactly - Ghibli costs less than half a 911 but needs a lot more thrown at it to keep it moving.

8/7/2009 9:20:48

uberview

Posts: 11
Since: 2/7/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: jonnycorcutt

regarding the mileage, as long as the car is warmed up and down ok and the majority of the 30k/year is highway cruising it shouldn't be a problem if the car is well serviced... it's just that you'll run through the service routine rather quickly, cam belt job every other year means you're guaranteed to be paying a couple of grand every other year.

i'd probably want to do an engine rebuild every 100k... so every 3-4 years a few more grand. the point being, the routine servicing is expensive before you even tackle the non-routine stuff.

but... the car is half the price of a similar 911... so that pays for the first few years of servicing.

Exactly - Ghibli costs less than half a 911 but needs a lot more thrown at it to keep it moving.

9/7/2009 9:19:35

del mar

Posts: 214
Since: 22/3/2007
Status: offline

I can't see why it should need re building every 100k miles, if it is looked after and used regularly, it should last without any problems.

They appear to be able to build engines, this is essentially the same engine family that has been in use since the Bi Turbo in the 80's, i would like to think that by 1997/8 they had actually ironed out any major problems. Visiting Fchat every now and then the big issue with all of these cars appears to be lack of use, there was a 456 for sale a while back with 86K on the clock and whilst people applauded him, the car was essentially worthless as most buyers would be scared to death of it. You often see mid 90's 348/355/456 with 15,000 on the clock - all the belts / gaskets / seals start to dry out and deteriorate, and it is often the lack of use that creates the problems.

As most people do not use the Cup as an every day car they tend not to rack up the miles and the "garage queens" get used very sporadically. There is a 1996 car for sale with 35,000 miles on it, it appears to be in very good condition, but then doing less than 3000 a miles a year it should be. Mine has about 60K miles on it (100km) and does not make any untoward noises, (other than snapped exhaust stud, which is now fixed) and still performs as it should.

Has anybody ran a ghibli for over 100k miles ?

They can not however do electrics and the body work does need close monitoring.

Del

30/8/2009 20:59:05

uberview

Posts: 11
Since: 2/7/2009
Status: offline

Can anyone give me an indication of the cost for a 48,000 miles service, ie cam chains?
thanks

Chris

6/9/2009 8:00:57

del mar

Posts: 214
Since: 22/3/2007
Status: offline

About £2,000, it is a 30 hour engine out job. I think Bill McGrath were charging £1500 - £2000, however the costs can rise as once the engine is out is it worth doing the clutch at the same time ???

Del

6/9/2009 21:00:24

Malcolm H

Sponsor

Posts: 2135
Since: 11/5/2005
Status: offline

Middle age crisis or an understated competance and confidence?

_____________________________

"Maser Malc"!!
4200 Spyder CC
Ghibli ABS
Mercedes ML320
www.essentialimages.co.uk

7/9/2009 21:00:26

uberview

Posts: 11
Since: 2/7/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Malcolm H

Middle age crisis or an understated competance and confidence?

Lost me there....

8/9/2009 14:50:32

tbody

Posts: 579
Since: 26/7/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: uberview

Can anyone give me an indication of the cost for a 48,000 miles service, ie cam chains?
thanks

Chris

Hi Chris,

Great to chat to you on the phone last night. Hope my input was of some use. After a night to sleep on it I have decided for you mate: get the Ghibli instead of the 3200! Stand out from the crowd, you only live once

_____________________________

Previous Masers: 3200GT, 4200 Coupe CC, GranSport (coming soon...)

8/9/2009 15:34:45

uberview

Posts: 11
Since: 2/7/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: tbody

quote:

ORIGINAL: uberview

Can anyone give me an indication of the cost for a 48,000 miles service, ie cam chains?
thanks

Chris

Hi Chris,

Great to chat to you on the phone last night. Hope my input was of some use. After a night to sleep on it I have decided for you mate: get the Ghibli instead of the 3200! Stand out from the crowd, you only live once

Hi chris,

Yea, thanks for the call, I really appreciate your comments and agree a Ghibli it is... In fact some of the chaps on the Renlist 911 forum are blown away with it, such a Q car;)

Best

Chris

30/11/2009 18:00:17

uberview

Posts: 11
Since: 2/7/2009
Status: offline

Any thoughts on the following.

Ghibli 95 Cup Spec(LHD) - Koni adjustable, Brembo discs, 17" wheels, 6 speed box and 456 rear end. Due chains in about 4,000 miles, its had a replacement motor, its now a 2.8 not a 2.0 - Question I have is whats it worth?

[1] 2 next > >>

Forum | Section | Top of Page

© 2010 MaseratiForum.co.uk

MaseratiForum.co.uk has no official association with Maserati S.p.A. All associated Maserati logos, names and images appearing on this site are for nominative and informational purposes only.
Banner images are © Copyright Maserati S.p.A./Other Author/MaseratiForum.co.uk, as applicable. Maserati is a registered trademark of Maserati S.p.A.

Terms & Conditions | Contact Us