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1/11/2008 14:27:44  

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http://www.venturetape.com/pdfs/VentureShield_Brochure.pdf
Anyone had any experience of this film used to protect the paintwork? Looks like a good idea to prevent the stone chips and there's a number of places that will fit it in the UK.
I've been speaking with a salesman today who had all the right answers but it's always better to hear it from the customers.
2/11/2008 8:28:30  

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I have also looked at this and thought it may be a good buy, in fact at MPH some guy way talking it up like the best thing ever to maintian and protect paintwork. It seems pricey though, did you get a price on this?

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2/11/2008 9:13:21  

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One question - if you choose to take it off (say, it gets damaged somehow) then is that an easy job? Does having it on in itself affect the paintwork?

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2/11/2008 14:05:17  

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It could well have been the same guy at MPH that I spoke to. Just gave me the general patter until I asked the price and told him it was for a Maserati. I think he then realised I was a serious prospect and became much more talkative.
There are 4 kits that you can get. From memory, the general kit covers all the front including half the bonnet and the wing mirrors, came to just under £600. Another kit for the rear of the car. A third included the areas underneath behind the rear wheels and the fourth was for the headlamps. These I didn't ask the prices for. I've found this page showing some of a Maserati kit. http://www.mintcondition-uk.com/protective_coatings.htm
Is it an easy job to remove it? Apparently yes. You gently warm it and it'll peel off without any residue. Apparently a gentle warming will also remove minor scratches.
Does it affect the paintwork? Apparently no.
Some other questions from me were can you polish it? Yes, but the advice was to use a cream rather than a powdery polish as it's easier to remove from the edge. But then if you don't use the half bonnet piece, which seems reasonable as the bonnet is not so exposed, then what appeared to be the worst edge isn't there.
Does it yellow or lose it's opacity? Apparently no.
How do you ensure there are no bubbles under it? He was ready for this and demonstrated how it is applied. There will be no bubbles.
It will not hide any imperfections so a good touch up or a partial respray is needed beforehand.
IMO it seems a good idea that could save a few resprays.
I'll be enquiring the local supplier further about cost and I'll post this info later.
2/11/2008 14:28:36  

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Sounds like the same guy who had the front end of a mini on his stand. For me the cost seems very high and pricey as the material and cutting cant be too costly so you get the impression there maybe a big mark up. as if the film is punctured by a stone then you would think water can get under it etc etc.

If the price was lower it would be worth a punt but at £600 for a basic kit seems to me a little pricey. I think there will be others out there that will offer this product as it becomes more widely available.

I will stick with a good polish for the time being



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2/11/2008 14:33:01  
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The good film is manufactured by 3M and it is meant to not yellow with age.

Have seen it on many cars and it does work, the main problem is usuallt the bonnet as it only goes partially up the length and you can see where it stops.

Porsche use the same product on the rear wings to stop stone chips.


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3/11/2008 3:10:23  

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What is the typical lifetime of this stuff?  I presume it gets damaged over time just like paint and would need replacing if appearances are important? 

If so, why spend £600 to replace the film every time your bumper shows stone chips instead of say  £300 to have it sprayed?
4/11/2008 8:16:15  
 

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I think some rumour control is needed here
Just to be clear, the whole purpose of protective film is to protect the paintwork from stonechips...if it didn't do that, there would be no point in applying it and therefore no-one marketing it.

Don't know much about Venture Shield, but I have Paintshield fitted to my VX220.  Paintshield use the high grade 3M film.  I used them because they came recommended in VX220 and Lotus circles and their templates used the smallest number of pieces, therefore the smallest number of joins.  The full kit (front 'clamshell' to halfway up, headlights, front grille, fog lamps, door mirrors, sills and rear wing beneath fuel filler) came out around £550.  I thought it was worthwhile because the VX is low to the ground, GRP bodywork with Lotus' notoriously thin paint application, and the VX is particularly susceptible to stone chipping at the front of the car.

Ok, so you can buy a pre-cut kit, or even a roll of film fairly economically, but the cost charged is in the expertise involved - the specially measured panel templates bespoke to the car model, and the painstaking application in what must be a dust-free atmosphere (Paintshield recommend taking your car to their custom facility in Grantham, Lincs. but also have a mobile service, though will only do the work if a suitable facility is available.  They also provide a four year guarantee in which time they will come out to repair/remove/replace any faults.  They do a lot of work for Porsche GB a couple of miles up the road from me at M4 J12, so they must be doing something right.

Paintshield claim that the film will not tear, distort or discolour/yellow over time.  I certainly haven't seen any evidence of this on my car. 

The only downsides to fitting film in my opinion are the following:

1. Depending on the supplier you use you might get some visible lines (e.g. partway up bonnet).  This is more visible with some colours than others.  Of course this is the trade off you get - which would you rather have, a faint join visible or having to respray the front of your car every couple of years at the same cost or more than it did to apply the film (I really doubt a decent professional job could be done for much less than that), with the added possibility of a bad paint match?

2. Insurance - some insurers might argue that the film is a 'modification' and therefore not covered by your policy and will not be included in the cost of repairs in the event of an accident.  Elephant tried this on with me, but gave in when I threatened them with the Ombudsman (though I have a feeling the Ombudsman referral fee came to more than the cost of the film).  Quite how an insurer can suggest that a car is insured, but not the film which becomes part of the car, is beyond me.  Furthermore, the film might add marginal value to the car but certainly doesn't enhance its performance (not in my experience anyway! )

So, in summary, three years on and my paintwork has no chips (where there is film, anyway!), no discolouration and no tears.

Each to their own but in my opinion this could be the best £5/600 you spend on your car.

I should say here that my only connection to Paintshield is that I have their film on my car.  

JJ

< Message edited by Jazzy Jeff -- 4/11/2008 8:19:52 >
4/11/2008 10:03:00  

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JJ, does the film not show any damage from stone chips then?  I was imagining it would eventually look tatty and need replacing, which would seem to cost roughly the same as a nose/bonnet/mirrors respray on a Maser.

I accept the risk of poor paint match is valid,  similarly I've not seen how shiny a car with film on it looks after a year of commuting.  I have however seen the line across the bonnet and thought it looked grim!  It was quite obvious on a silver car though.
4/11/2008 14:42:28  

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Great someone with some experience.
Jazzy it's a good question from Paco about stone chips. I imagine it doesn't chip but do you get any marks in it at all?
I'm not so impressed with the line on the bonnet either, but then as the Maserati bonnet is sunk in I wouldn't think it will get as much damage compared to others so was considering leaving that piece off.
4/11/2008 15:11:48  
 

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I think this is a waste of money because this too chips and looks a mess so then you have to have it replaced, why not just touch the chips in now and again then have the bonnet resprayed when its looking really bad. The film will also make your paintwork look very orange peely .
5/11/2008 3:21:49  
 

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hmm - might be able to provide an objective perspective on this.
I have armourfend on mine (was already on when I bought the car - and no i dont work for them).

I had it taken off the bonnet, because yes you can see the line as it only went half way up - it came off fine you cant see where it was.

I have the rest of the front, lights and door mirrors covered. It looks fine, it doesnt perforate with stone chips and looks a damn site better than the front of my dark coloured 911 did after a year and few high speed trips down the autobahn...

It doesnt go yellow (or hasnt yet - sure you  can see the difference between where its been applied vs where not) but its really not significant. And you can polish over it with Zymol fine - it shines like the rest of the car.

I think its fantastic! Clearly you can argue are you saving the car for the next buyer, but personally I think it stops the front of your car looking like an acned teenager!!
5/11/2008 5:52:43  

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My friends have an ex 'Press' car, a V8 Aston Vantage, it was fitted to the car from the factory due to the hell the press guys give them. Car is 2 years old and the film still looks good and as it is not rigid/brittle it can absorb some of the shock that a stone presents and not chip...unlike paint which has no give.
 
Yes you can see a line, and this is more pronounced if the car is dirty but when clean the only time you see it is if you are the one polishing the car.
 


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6/11/2008 8:01:57  
 

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Not sure what Spearsy's experience with protective film is, but I reiterate my experience no chips through my film - and I do a lot of motorway miles.  I did suffer from one hole in the film (about a millimetre across) - but no chip - which must have been as a result of quite a big stone.  Also, don't assume its the automotive equivalent of Superman - it won't stop bodywork damage from impacts by large objects.  I did have to have my film replaced recently due to colliding with a deer  - and the film actually did a good job of ensuring the cracked GRP stayed together (it is after all a kind of modified sellotape!)

Touching up paintwork is ok for the odd chip, but if your car is pebble-dashed then surely in close up it would look a bit of a mess? Like the car has had a bad shave   And if you have to have a respray, apart from the cost and colour match worry you of course have to do without your car for x days/weeks.  Not good if its your sole everyday driver.

JJ

P.S. Armourfend is the same type of stuff, just a different supplier with different templates, prices and guarantees.

< Message edited by Jazzy Jeff -- 6/11/2008 8:03:46 >
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