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7/12/2009 6:14:59  
 

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Hi all

I am new here and hope some can help me out.

I am now looking for a new car, 2005-2008 model.

I am a BMW driver now, a 2004 545. I have so far never had a Maserati, but I do love the style, the sound and not to forget the interior. So, yes, I do dream of having a Maserati Quattroporte.

But, how is the quality on the quattroporte comparing to a bmw or a mb?
Also, how are the maintenance prices on a Maserarti?

All help, tips and guiding is good.
7/12/2009 8:33:48  
 

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Hi and welcome. I did the usual BMW thing (various M3s, 5 series, 6 series etc) until I decided to take the 'leap of faith' and never looked back I am now on my third Maserati and wouldn't dream of returning back to mainstream (new 911 GT3 is tempting though). The QP took Maserati build quality into the same league as BMs etc I had one for 12 months without a fault and now after running a GranTurismo for over 2 years I have no complaints. I don't know if you have recently had a new BM but I think build quality is now Crap! My wife has a new M3 convertable and although it is one hell of a car with an amazing! engine it is constantly back with the dealer for repairs to bits of trim, rattles etc.
Go on Just do it! 
7/12/2009 11:50:31  
 

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Hi


Thanks you for the reply

I have now a 2004 model BMW 545, before that one I had a 2004 545 and a 2007 M3.
As you also say, the old BMW had good quality, but now, today, not so.

So, the Maserati is just as good as a BMW? As your wifes M3? Well, that is good news for me.
Did you have the automatic on the Qp? How was it? I have only tested in on a short test drive, so hard to say how it did feel.

How are the service prices on a Maserati?

Can I ask if you did get a new Qp? Or did you have a second hand one? Here in Switzerland I can find used Qp`s for the same as a BMW or MB, even less. So that made me think about the quality.

Can I also add one question, have anyone seen a crash test of a Qp? Or know how they are in a real life crash? That is also something I keep in my mind, there is a lot of crazy drivers out there.....

Have a good day all
7/12/2009 12:47:56  
 

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I had a QP Sport Auto from new and it was superb! In the QP I would definately go for the Auto box it is much better suited to the car and you still get paddles to play with. When you get to the twisty bits you forget about the size it has fantastic handeling. In Britain we have a top notch car magazine called Evo and they recorded a faster lap time in a QP than an M5. As for Servicing it is only once a year or 12000 miles I can't remember the cost but I don't think it was too horific!

Sorry! can't help with the crash test info.
Cheers
Andy
7/12/2009 13:13:11  
 

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Thanks for the information.

Well, I did feel that to. The Qp is a large car, but do not feel like one. It did feel, on the short test drive I did, "smaller" than a 5 series or an E class.

How did you find it on long trips? Seats and sound proofing?

Thank you for helping me with my odd questions

7/12/2009 13:50:52  
 

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At the time when I had my QP my wife had a BMW 530 so I know how good the 5 series is, in terms of comfort, long distance cruising, sound proofing etc the QP is at least on a par but then build in performance, the glorious sound of the Ferrari V8 and those looks (as the price would suggest) it is in a different league, everytime you get behind the wheel it just makes you feel so special.
7/12/2009 14:04:23  
 

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Thanks

Well, I have just called a dealer, and will go and take a 08 for a longer test drive on Friday, they told me it was ok to have the car the hole day, so I can do a good test of it.

Oh, wish it was Friday tomorrow now.

Thank you for helping me Scousegit
7/12/2009 14:10:19  
 

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Sounds good keep us informed and good luck!
8/12/2009 20:31:57  

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Scousegit,

Was that you in a black GranTurismo on Sunday afternoon near the Caldy crossroads? I was in a Grigio GranSport. I know I've asked this question before and, on that occasion, it wasn't you; but now that I know you live in Heswall I'm guessing it might be different this time ...

Froddy
9/12/2009 8:07:48  
 

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Hi Froddy

Yep! twas me, thought it may be you, your GS was looking good. On the way back from West Kirby I saw a 4200, I waved and flashed my bits but the miserable bugger just ignored me (see, its not just posh GT owners that don't acknowledge the brotherhood). 

Cheers
Andy
9/12/2009 20:39:02  

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Andy,

That's appalling! But I think we must give the ignorant 4200 owner the benefit of the doubt: (s)he may only have noticed a little too late. Or, dare I say it, could simply have been a typical Wirral dawdling driver and not noticed at all. Will keep my eyes peeled and let you know if it happens again. Must say, I've not seen any 4200s on the Wirral, but have passed a silver 3200 in Heswall and, as you know, my old man has a gunmetal 3200.

Long live the brotherhood!

Alex
18/12/2009 2:22:01  
 

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all sounds good for me, i'm looking at trading the 3200 for a Quatroportte sport, the 3200 seems to always have a new fault every time i turn the car on, i still think it looks amazing with its boomerang lights, but its pretty impracticle and quite uncomfortable for long drives, somehow the steering wheel is too far from the drivers seat and the peddals are too close.

How much are 2005 quatro sports going for in the UK?
Here in Australia they start from $115k or about 55 000 pounds

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18/12/2009 19:12:16  
 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kujotk

all sounds good for me, i'm looking at trading the 3200 for a Quatroportte sport, the 3200 seems to always have a new fault every time i turn the car on, i still think it looks amazing with its boomerang lights, but its pretty impracticle and quite uncomfortable for long drives, somehow the steering wheel is too far from the drivers seat and the peddals are too close.

How much are 2005 quatro sports going for in the UK?
Here in Australia they start from $115k or about 55 000 pounds

Try

www.autotrader.co.uk

or

http://www.maserati.co.uk/maserati/uk/en/index/Usato/Used-car-locator.html
19/12/2009 4:34:02  

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Based on my personal experience I'd say Maserati Quattroporte built quality is not as good as Mercedes'. I have never had any problems with my Mercedes C-class 2003 for years, while I had quite a few minor ones with my Maserati already. . And servicing and fixing a Maserati is very expensive comparing to most cars.

I bought my 2005 QP with 50,000 miles on the clock just 3 months ago, did 4000 miles since I bought it (mostly on a european trip) and so far I have spent:

- Full service (all oils, liquids and filters change + checks): 1600 GBP
- New tyres: 600 GBP (that was a real bargain, normally they are 250-300 GBP each)
- Wheel refurb: 340 GBP
- Stone chips and body scratch repairs: 250 GBP
- Air conditioner fix: 450 GBP (labour) + 170 GBP (part, used, got it from Poland, new one over 500 GBP)
- F1 oil leak: 800 GBP (labour) + 120 GBP (parts), still need to re-check. And new transmission = 7,200 GBP.
- Camshaft bolts replaced: 115 GBP
- Passenger door not opening from inside, fix = 180 GBP

Still in the queue (pending):
- rust on the bottom (estimate over 1100 GBP)
- clutch change (2200 GBP)
- brake pads change (no estimate yet)
- wipers change (estimate 60 GBP)
- possibly new battery (I don't drive every day and it is getting weaker every time I start the car). Thats a good few hundred pounds.
- leather interior fix, easily 200 GBP
- door courtesy light & passenger window shade, probably another 50 GBP.

I don't have the money for those now, so they will have to wait a few months or until they will get much worse, but all needs to be done before the summer, when I want to take it for a euro trip again.

The car "died" on me once in Germany, suddenly all the dash lights went on screaming "electrical failure", but after calling a local Maserati dealer and "rebooting" the battery while on the phone with the specialist everything was fixed. Apparently a common problem with these cars and nothing to worry about.

And then I need to add the petrol costs (circa another 1000 GBP during 4000 miles in 3 months), tax (over 400 GBP per year), MOT (50 GBP), insurance (1400 GBP in my case per year) and parking (900 GBP per year), fines and speeding tickets (you can't avoid those in a Maserati :)... I am not a high earner and I have to say that those costs related to my Quattroporte are over 50% of the total money I spend per month (including mortgage, shopping, baby, holidays etc), compared to like 20% in case of my Mercedes, but still, for some strange reason I wouldn't change it for any other model.

So, your car probably wouldn't fail you and you wouldn't have any really "urgent" issues with it, but unless you are in the 10% of nation's top earners, you probably can't "really" afford to own one.

To KUJOTK: a 2005 Maserati Quattroporte would cost you today in the UK anything between 21,000 and 28,000 GBP (AU$ 38K - AU$ 50K). Mine was 23,000 GBP.

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19/12/2009 5:29:40  

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F*ck me...
19/12/2009 9:01:20  

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I take it then you  never heeded the  oh so common advice on here  and got it

INDEPENDANTLY CHECKED   before you bought it then      Fool and his money ...........................      and Nigelo's adage   of you can lead a horse to water  but you cant make it drink     

Get saving buddy   you need to

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19/12/2009 9:03:14  

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quote:

ORIGINAL: deos

Based on my personal experience I'd say Maserati Quattroporte built quality is not as good as Mercedes'. I have never had any problems with my Mercedes C-class 2003 for years, while I had quite a few minor ones with my Maserati already. . And servicing and fixing a Maserati is very expensive comparing to most cars.

I bought my 2005 QP with 50,000 miles on the clock just 3 months ago, did 4000 miles since I bought it (mostly on a european trip) and so far I have spent:

- Full service (all oils, liquids and filters change + checks): 1600 GBP
- New tyres: 600 GBP (that was a real bargain, normally they are 250-300 GBP each)
- Wheel refurb: 340 GBP
- Stone chips and body scratch repairs: 250 GBP
- Air conditioner fix: 450 GBP (labour) + 170 GBP (part, used, got it from Poland, new one over 500 GBP)
- F1 oil leak: 800 GBP (labour) + 120 GBP (parts), still need to re-check. And new transmission = 7,200 GBP.
- Camshaft bolts replaced: 115 GBP
- Passenger door not opening from inside, fix = 180 GBP

Still in the queue (pending):
- rust on the bottom (estimate over 1100 GBP)
- clutch change (2200 GBP)
- brake pads change (no estimate yet)
- wipers change (estimate 60 GBP)
- possibly new battery (I don't drive every day and it is getting weaker every time I start the car). Thats a good few hundred pounds.
- leather interior fix, easily 200 GBP
- door courtesy light & passenger window shade, probably another 50 GBP.

I don't have the money for those now, so they will have to wait a few months or until they will get much worse, but all needs to be done before the summer, when I want to take it for a euro trip again.

The car "died" on me once in Germany, suddenly all the dash lights went on screaming "electrical failure", but after calling a local Maserati dealer and "rebooting" the battery while on the phone with the specialist everything was fixed. Apparently a common problem with these cars and nothing to worry about.

And then I need to add the petrol costs (circa another 1000 GBP during 4000 miles in 3 months), tax (over 400 GBP per year), MOT (50 GBP), insurance (1400 GBP in my case per year) and parking (900 GBP per year), fines and speeding tickets (you can't avoid those in a Maserati :)... I am not a high earner and I have to say that those costs related to my Quattroporte are over 50% of the total money I spend per month (including mortgage, shopping, baby, holidays etc), compared to like 20% in case of my Mercedes, but still, for some strange reason I wouldn't change it for any other model.

So, your car probably wouldn't fail you and you wouldn't have any really "urgent" issues with it, but unless you are in the 10% of nation's top earners, you probably can't "really" afford to own one.

To KUJOTK: a 2005 Maserati Quattroporte would cost you today in the UK anything between 21,000 and 28,000 GBP (AU$ 38K - AU$ 50K). Mine was 23,000 GBP.


Just one question deos: did you pay for an independent inspection before you bought the car?
19/12/2009 9:16:53  

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Loz,

You beat me to it! Must have been typing at the same time!
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