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23/10/2008 6:12:57  
 

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Status: offline 		I can buy it for £24,500 just serviced. Opinions?
23/10/2008 9:11:32  
 

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Status: offline 		by the above I mean do you guys think thats a good price given current market conditions & where do you seem them in 12 months time?
23/10/2008 13:51:05  

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If the car is a clean example then the price seems resonable enough, mileage is a bit high though, I'm assuming this is trade?

After a quick search on autotrader I see there's a 54 plate car with 31k miles at £26,980 trade. 

You've not given a lot of information on the car you're interested in, it could be yellow, it could have had five owners with an incomplete service history? Without all the details it's not easy to give an accurate estimate.

Residuals should continue to be good, once a Maserati has lost two thirds of it's value the depreciation should start to slow, you know as well as I do that it's the running costs that are liable to kill you, not the 10 or so grand you could potentially lose over the next couple of years.

If the car is sound I hope you go for it, good luck.







23/10/2008 13:56:06  

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Status: offline 		It's about condition and history..With that sort of mileage it should have had lots of bits replaced if it has been serviced and looked after well. So go for it if it's a good un......But make sure that history is up together and full with bills etc.

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23/10/2008 14:02:53  
 

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Status: offline 		Both replies are spot on! Check the dealer if not main, also it may help if the previous owner is on this site so give us more details....

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23/10/2008 14:54:40  

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Status: offline 		Sometimes a high mile car is better than one thats done 9k...ask some of the 3200 owners on here...the high mile ones are running better than the garage queens. 
23/10/2008 15:28:01  


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Status: offline 		04 / 45K miles....I would call that average and agree with Andy.....better to have a car that is used regularly than one that sits for long periods of time

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24/10/2008 0:17:15  

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04 / 45K miles....I would call that average and agree with Andy.....better to have a car that is used regularly than one that sits for long periods of time


Funny how we call 45k high miles as less face it it's just run in......It's all a hang up from the past as modern cars will take the miles as long as they are looked after.
24/10/2008 4:04:57  

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Here's me feeling argumentative and ready for round ten when I should be working.

I agree with what you say about reliability and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe craigvmax was asking about value for money and residuals?

Maserati is different to almost any other car maker and here's why. They are as exclusive as Astons and Ferraris, yet some people insist on getting almost as much usage out of one as say, a Mercedes. Where does that leave the brand on the second hand market, it is fact that exotic cars with very low mileage will always demand a lot more money than something with 50k miles on the odometer. Why is it that Astons and Ferraris and Lamborghinis are such long term winners? Because they're ALL under bloody 10 thousand miles of course! Most main dealers won't even look sideways at a car that's done more than 30k.

In an ideal world Maseratis would all be garage queens, mine certainly is and will remain so as long as it's in my care. I understand that there is some sort of macho pride in driving 3200s to death but the end result will be that a huge number of them will end up on Eurospare's shelves or worse. 45k miles is certainly average on a 7 Series but in my book excessive on something as rare and special as the QP V.

I'm likely to buy a Quattroporte V sometime in the future, but not until I can have a decent German mile eater sitting next to it, I may take a long time finding the right car but YES I will pay a premium because I will insist on finding a low mileage one owner example, simple.











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24/10/2008 5:08:46  
 

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Status: offline 		Its not the yellow one chaps & thx for replies.

Its just had a major service, clutch etc so should be good for a few more miles.

Does anyone know a ballpark on yearly costs on a QP out of interest?
24/10/2008 5:22:16  

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Status: offline 		I love high mile cars, as most of the time it's been cruising on the motorway at running temperature, with fewer gear changes. In regards to the depreciation costs…well I would not be able to have afforded half the cars I have had in the past had it not been for the fact the miles have made it so much cheaper.
 
What is high miles now…100, 150, 200k…40 years ago it was about 40k and the car was scrap, even the odometers only went up to 99k
 
Why anyone would purchase a car worth hundreds of thousands of ponds to have it sat in a garage and do just 10,000 miles in 10 years is beyond me…Rent one or just buy a shell if you just want to look at it.
 

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24/10/2008 5:53:00  

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Status: offline 		Price seems fair, it isn't a bargain but very fair.

The mileage debate is a funny old one, there are lots of Astons out there with "high" mileage these days and the residuals have been kicked in the guts too.  Like the Maserati or say a Gallardo the actual problem is one of fear.

High mileage 911's are normal, and are priced rationally because the perception is they won't break down every ten minutes.  Despite being more common they whip every other manufacturer on depreciation for this reason alone.

Is a QP (or GS) any less reliable than a 911?? They don't seem to be, nor any less capable of running up 100k, but the fear of the Biturbo still puts people off.  More fool them and good news for us who just want to drive.

Clive Sutton have a 2004 3,500 mile QP up for £39k - good garage queen material. For almost 40% less you could buy the car in this thread. 

Both have plenty of depreciation to go, but one has further to go than the other.

What's the price range between a "high" (80k?) mile QPIV and a garage queen? £10-20k? Based on a highly scientific fag-packet calculation after a quick trawl it seems to be around 40-50%, but the amount of equity difference is of course smaller - in this case £10k.

Using the QPIV's record as a template the person who buys the cheaper QPV gets to do say 35k miles over the ensuing five years, he'll lose £14,500 in depreciation if it's worth £10k with 75k on the clock.  The person who buys the garage queen and keeps the mileage to below 10k can do 6,000 miles, and he'll lose around £19,000 in depreciation assuming it's worth £20k (I could only find one on Mobile.de at 14k km for 25k euro).

That would (IMHO) be a good time to pick your garage queen up.  Until then this car looks like good value, 29k more miles of fun and £4500 saved in to the mix !
24/10/2008 6:28:51  
 

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Status: offline 		loving the calculations, thx very much. Hopefully the RS6 goes in next few days and i can go trawling for one.

Wonder if he takes less than 24,500, hmmm
24/10/2008 6:41:16  

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I know there are a lot of tired DB7s out there, I should have explained that I was comparing it to the 04 plated car in question, look at the DB9 s available and you'll see what I mean, low miles pretty much across the board.

The example of the two QPVs you give is not far from the truth, but I think you're being a little bit biased (much like myself) by suggesting you can't sell a five year old 10k miles QPV privately for £30k. Time will tell of course but I effectively paid 18 grand for my QP IV and I'll wager it will stay in that region for many years, perhaps even appreciate whereas the six figure runners will be dead and burried.

Safrane

I'm not saying using your car is tantamount to sin, it's just me having a unhealthy obsession with Maserati, if I was forced to own a 911 I'd do my upmost to knacker it in the first year

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24/10/2008 6:51:54  

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Status: offline 		Indeed Marlon, I picked the most expensive 04 QPV I could find to serve my purposes ;o)

I think you bought your QPIV at near enough the right point though, closer to the trough in the depreciation curve than the 04 cars are imho.

On the Astons the DB9 is only around 5 years old - there are plenty around knocking on 25-30k miles in 5 years, which given that they spend about 3 months a year on the ramp would suggest regular use

[O/T] Spent yesterday smoking around in a Vanquish, nasty switches but damn fine otherwise!!  Good value compared to a 9 and a lot more special.

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24/10/2008 6:53:28  

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24/10/2008 7:19:10  

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Status: offline 		Evo,

I know you and I would use the car as a car...as it should be. The ones I was referring to were the 20 year old Ferraries with 4k on engine going for silly money in the classic mags...I despair when I look at them its just a waste of engineers talent and craftsmans skills to not use 'em

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24/10/2008 10:42:21  

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Status: offline 		Modern Maserati do not want you to put their cars in a garage and not use them which is why the new GT is billed as an 'everyday' car in their brochures. Things have changed over the last 10 years people who buy these cars new expect to be able to use them daily and not lock them away....thats why most owners also have Ferraris and Lambo's in their garages as well and these are the toys...Maserati make 4 seat GT's and by nature these are made to cross continents in comfort and speed and should be used that way. I do understand why some do not do the miles because of resale/values but I couldn't have a car like this sat in the garage as it begs to be driven.

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