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15/4/2010 14:04:21  
 

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Afternoon,

The car goes in for a respray next month - stone chips, pealing laquer, exhaust melted through rear bumper !

I am going to strip bits off the car - I like to tinker, i am just not always that good at it...........

Lights - easy
Grill - handful of rusty screws
Badges - should be ok
Spoiler - I reckon an 8mm offset brake spanner should work on the offside bolt
Sills - handful of rusty screws
Door handles - easy i have had the door card off before to fix the window motor
A pillar covers -mmmm the mechanic that works on mine says they are straight foward a couple of bolts that you access from underneath the head lining. he has done his and said they were not glued on. As you need to remove these to change a cracked screen I don't see how they can be, but they are fragile and you need to be careful putting them back on.
fuel filler - handful of bolts
bumpers - handful of bolts
bonnet vents - clips
mirrors - I have heard these are a nightmare, but can't see why
boot lock - looks easy

He will take the glass out, but does anybody kow anything about removing the rear side windows ? They look bonded in ? Eurospares list the glass as £40 the black surrounds £300 !!

Any tips would be gratefully received.

Thanks

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15/4/2010 17:24:44  

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Really depends on who is re-assembling it all after the respray Del,  if its you then i would want to strip and label as much as possible  myself, it also means you have it all at home to clean up before re-assembly ,  if the bodyshop are assembling then let the dismantle   , at least they will know then how it all goes back together    last thing you want is a box of bits left over at the end

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17/4/2010 17:43:20  

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I'm doing my Ghibli Open Cup right now so I've been asking questions of someone who's been though it.

I assume you're doing a Ghibli II is that correct?

Bob S.
19/4/2010 9:06:12  
 

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Yes I have Ghibli Cup.

I should start the stripping at the end of the month, I can do a bit each night I will let you know how bits go. Surely between the pair of us we can struggle through it !!

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19/4/2010 15:10:22  

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OK, well I'm almost done so I'll go through the list:


Lights - easy
I have different front lights than you as well as the front bumper/air dam
The tail lights I haven't gotten out yet. The gaskets appear to have glued them to the body very tightly and I really don't want to break them.
This still looks like a **** to me right now.  Maybe a liberal use of the hair drier.

Grill - handful of rusty screws
Badges - should be ok The rear is pretty delicate but again, on my car I have a fiberglass rear trunk lid so it's different.
Spoiler - I reckon an 8mm offset brake spanner should work on the offside bolt

Sills - handful of rusty screws I have removed the front & rear screws (wheels have to come off)  plus all of those underneath. There are some slide in place clips underneath which recieve the screws. They might fall off at the painters so you should remove them. But you also need to drill out the black rivets next to the the door seals (I haven't done this yet). Be careful with this one.

Door handles - easy i have had the door card off before to fix the window motor I haven't done this as yet.

A pillar covers -mmmm the mechanic that works on mine says they are straight foward a couple of bolts that you access from underneath the head lining. he has done his and said they were not glued on. As
you need to remove these to change a cracked screen I don't see how they can be, but they are fragile and you need to be careful putting them back on.

Ah these are tricky. You have to start by removing the cowl spoiler which is attached in three locations. Center  L&R. Mine had a self tapping screw on one side with threaded studs on the other two. This can vary from car to car. The are a pain to reach. The suggestion given to me from a chap with a RHD car was to remove the windshield wiper drive link on one side first for better access. I didn't have to do that but I have a LHD car. Once these are off you can remove the two front securing screws. My car has no interior but I have a full roll cage which isn't helpful for getting at the three interior threaded studs on each side. Once again these are very small.

They are indeed glued on but not all three mounting spots are equally secure. I had only one that was a real SOB. I ended up peeling the rubber strips off after loosening it up on that side. I used the hair drier a lot on the inside as well as the outside around the one stubborn center post. Highest heat setting. That might damage the interior though. That alone was not enough to get it loose. I also had to use a very thin  1.5"  wide flexible steel putty knife which I inserted between the aluminum body clad piece and the rest of the car to break the seal. It took several attempts.  These are aluminum so be careful especially when installing them or you can dimple them at the stud points.  Basically this is a real pain.  See the pictures. The factory used multiple glued on rubber bumpers in various thickness levels to properly space these pieces from the main panel. Some of them had fallen off of my car.  I'm still uncertain how to put this back together around the three(3) studs. It needs to be secure and sealed from water but not pulled too tight. I don't like gluing them back on though. Have fun ...   Maybe yours will just pop off. One of mine did.

I plan on talking with a dealer in the UK about what they have used on these spots. It looks like a combination of a foam ring and some kind of sealer that never hardens. You don't want it oozing out in the hot sun but it needs to be removable too.


fuel filler - handful of bolts Oh holly crap this is a really bad design and not easy like it looks. Someone should be shot for this one. Look at the pictures and you can see what happened on my car which has less than 2K km miles and only gets hand washed. They blocked the drain with a gasket and there's a big O-ring that's is supposed to seal a specially made aluminum filler neck to the body. It doesn't so this water puddled inside behind this filler neck and eventually rusted through. Hopefully most of these Cup cars didn't have the drain blocked up.  Also, when you pop open the cap, a commercial piece they adapted to fit the special filler neck, you can see that there is no drain hole for gas overflow into so that it can run down to the ground. Water has no place to go either. That aluminum adapter can have a drain hole drilled to match up with the existing one.  That doesn't solve the issue of water leaking in around that big O-ring. 
 
I had to loosen up the hose clamps on the fuel filler neck inside the trunk and collapse the larger fuel hose so that the entire filler neck assembly could be removed for access to the back side of the outside fuel filler assembly. I then sprayed WD40 around the outside perimeter of the filler cap in an effort to lubricate that O-ring. I was then able to tap on the backside from inside the trunk with a piece of wood and a dead-blow hammer. It came loose that way.  Easy?  Not quite.


bumpers - handful of bolts

bonnet vents - clips

mirrors - I have heard these are a nightmare, but can't see why There is a connector inside at the bottom of the door which you need to disconnect. Easy so far ...  I wasn't able to get that connector to exit at the top of the door. So I pulled it far enough on the outside of the car (beyond the sheath cover) to allow me to simply cut the wire but still have enough to allow for snaking it back down properly after painting. I tucked the exterior  portion of the wire back into the foam sealer so that it's out of the way but doesn't simply fall down into the door. I plan to just solder the wires back and cover with shrink wrap.

boot lock - looks easy It is.

He will take the glass out, but does anybody kow anything about removing the rear side windows ? They look bonded in ? Eurospares list the glass as £40 the black surrounds £300 !!
I'm not removing mine. I'm also not removing the front or rear windscreens. I believe the rear gasket lifts off of the body so they can get paint underneath if they're good. The front only shows at the top edge.
 
 



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19/4/2010 20:36:08  
 

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Excellent thanks for that.

I see the issue with the glue - i was told to be very careful putting them back on if you tighten them too much you could cause them to dent. I did think a spring washer so that would close before the nut pulled too tight ? Will you glue them back on ?

I know what you mean with the fuel filler cap. When you wash the car or splash fuel it gathers in the bottom half of the with nowhere to go.

I will takes pictures when i do mine to see whose is the worst put together !!!!
19/4/2010 23:30:17  

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I don't as yet know how I will handle the body clad moldings over the roof. I'll let you know though.

The gas filler cap collects gas overfill or water just below the entry point when the cap is open. But water also gets in around that outer O-ring and that's the bigger issue if the original drain is blocked.
It might be getter to go back to the original cap design. I have a 25 year old Biturbo with that design and there are zero issues with it.
Fancy is nice unless it causes big problems like this does.

It might even be better to leave the O-ring off and make certain the drain functions properly. Then air can get in there too. After all, that's essentially how the original flap door functions ... 

Still working on this one.

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20/4/2010 9:28:03  

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I've been told that getting the body mouldings to go back on without dimples is almost impossible.  Every ghibli that I've seen that has been resprayed has had a small dent at the rear mounting point of these.  Not ideal but at the same time you don't really notice unless you are looking for it.
I've also noticed quite a few that have not had the wing mirrors removed as they are considered a pain.

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20/4/2010 9:37:06  
 

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the moldings that go on the roof are not overly difficult to remove, u need to remove the leather panels up along the side of the roof, there are nuts you need to undo here, there is also a very very fun one to get in the engine bay under the vent at the firewall, this one is a little tricky as its not very excessible, it will take a bit of patience
20/4/2010 9:58:19  

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ORIGINAL: granca69

the moldings that go on the roof are not overly difficult to remove, u need to remove the leather panels up along the side of the roof, there are nuts you need to undo here, there is also a very very fun one to get in the engine bay under the vent at the firewall, this one is a little tricky as its not very excessible, it will take a bit of patience


Well that rather depends on how they were originally installed.

If, like one side on my car, they are in effect glued on it can be very difficult. fortunately I only had one spot that was very stubborn. If it had been two sports or god forbid all three it might have become a nightmare. Fortunately, I didn't have an interior to deal with so using a hair drier was not a problem. It may be that having them "glued on somewhat" will also help avoid the dimple effect? On the other hand, if I had not run into that one really tough spot I wouldn't have posted such a long caution.  The fuel filler cap is real crap though.

Bob S.
20/4/2010 10:03:42  

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I've also noticed quite a few that have not had the wing mirrors removed as they are considered a pain.


Hi Rich,

I got mine off as described but I haven't taken them apart so I'm not certain about how they're going to get painted as yet.

Do you have any stories about how this is best accomplished? At the moment I'm thinking about just masking them?

Bob S.

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20/4/2010 10:19:57  

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I think if you make sure you do a really good job with the masking that will be the best route Bob.

On the subject on wing mirrors, I noticed some of the official maserati pictures show a ghibli with different mirrors (that actually fold in) and indeed the owners manual references an option to automatically fold in the mirrors - but I've never actually seen a ghibli with these other mirrors.  Anyone seen them or know the story?

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20/4/2010 10:32:51  

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Yes I've seen those as well. They're the same as those on the QPIV I think. They fold electrically as well as mechanically. I didn't look to see if the wiring harness for that option was also in the doors.
Visually, I think the regular ones are better suited but having the ability to move out of the way is a very good idea.

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20/4/2010 12:22:45  

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I agree, on a road car good idea, no point on a race car - unless they are lighter and more aerodynamic of course? :)

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20/4/2010 16:09:53  

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Found a few pics of some cars with the electrically folding mirrors in my archives, hope they are of some use... 










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20/4/2010 16:35:55  

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Wow I didn't expect that.  Thanks very much.
One Japanese car and one english.  Expensive option perhaps or retrofit?

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20/4/2010 20:17:43  

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Sorry to hijack the post and go off on a tangent but here are another 2 cars with the same mirrors (showing them a little more clearly) and I've got pictures of quite a few more (although the green car looks similar to the one in my previous post, it is actually a different car).  I think the mirrors must have been optional in some markets but possibly not RHD markets as all the pics I have are LHD. 







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21/4/2010 14:01:54  
 

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ORIGINAL: chad5k1

I've been told that getting the body mouldings to go back on without dimples is almost impossible.  Every ghibli that I've seen that has been resprayed has had a small dent at the rear mounting point of these.  Not ideal but at the same time you don't really notice unless you are looking for it.
I've also noticed quite a few that have not had the wing mirrors removed as they are considered a pain.


Could it be when they fitted them that they were glued first, let the glue work and then use the bolts to hold them in place, rather than tighten them ?
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