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15/6/2009 21:02:26  
 

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Hi All

Hope you can help on this. I have an '02 4200CC and it's been running well for the past 2 months that I've owned her.

However this evening on the way from work, the following happened:
- I was on the way from Reading to Birmingham. Had the aircon on at 18C and fan set to medium-slow setting (not auto).
- When I came off the motorway I could hear the sound of tricking water from somewhere near the glove box
- I had heard this occassionally before but couldn't trace it or see anything untoward. I assumed it was the aircon just gurgling away as I have heard some units in other cars (not Masers) do.
- But this evening the trickling sound went on for quite some time (several minutes) and this time when I looked down at the glove box I could see water dripping!!
- It was coming from somewhere behind the glove box, not from the box itself (i.e. I didn't have a bottle of water in the glove box!)

Switching the econ mode on made no difference - water still dripping. Only stopped when I switched the fans off completely. Poked my head under the glove box but couldn't see where the water was coming from.

I would love it if someone could tell me what they think about this - having to drive around with the fan off is not an option if I am driving up and down the motorway (which I do sometimes).

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Cheers, Dolo
15/6/2009 21:07:02  
 

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Oh a bit more information:
- The water was running in to the passenger footwell carpet.
- I felt the water with my fingers and found it to be cool (not cold)
- The water didn't smell of anything at all

I have no idea what this is but where on earth is all this water I wonder. The aircon seemed to be blowing reasonably cold so not sure if it is anything to do with that.

No warnings indicators being given out by the car at all.
15/6/2009 21:21:18  

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Common fault with these cars Dol, Loads on here about it , if you do a search,   some how your drain pipe has been crushed/kinked and is causing this problem  usually done when clumsily serviced i believe         easy fix i tho       but i hevent had to do it myself

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15/6/2009 21:23:21  
 

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Thanks Loz. I'll do a search for drain pipe then and see what turns up. Sounds like it's not a serious fault (fingers crossed before I read what the solutions are!).
15/6/2009 21:24:44  

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ORIGINAL: dolomiah

Thanks Loz. I'll do a search for drain pipe then and see what turns up. Sounds like it's not a serious fault (fingers crossed before I read what the solutions are!).
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try under air con drain

regards loz


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15/6/2009 21:43:41  

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Yes,

Sounds like the same problem that has been reported on here a few times. Hope you get it fixed...nothing worse than the smell of damp carpets to put you off being in your car

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15/6/2009 21:56:26  
 

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Ok so it looks like Loz and Peter are spot on. Bloomin' drain pipe. It sounds so simple that I am loathed to spend any of my maintenance fund on this when I might be able to do something myself.

One suggestion was to blow air up the drain pipe where it comes out of the bottom of the car and see if that unblocks. But I don't know where this thing actually is.. does anyone know where the pipe comes out of the car? Would some flexible wire (e.g. for putting up netting for windows) be small enough to shove up their (ooerh !)?
15/6/2009 22:07:31  

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Firstly dol i would check behind the pollen filter as i think this is where the problem initiallly  occurs

im a bit of a novice regards this  but im sure if you approach it methodically  it cant be that hard to fix

regards loz


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15/6/2009 22:25:33  
 

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Thanks again Loz. I will take a look as you suggest over the weekend probably when I have some time. I agree it doesn't sound like it should be that hard to sort (after all it's a blocked pipe right )

I'll let the forum know how I managed to fix it myself or (if it goes belly-up) how I paid someone else to sort it !
15/6/2009 22:30:16  

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From what I recall, rather than being blocked it has been known to be a kink or a part pressing on the pipe...so don't push and prod too hard or you may make a hole in it.

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15/6/2009 22:32:54  
 

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Good advice Peter - well noted (I've broken things in the past by not being gentle enough!).
22/6/2009 17:53:39  

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I am experiencing exactly the same problem and put it down to the water drain from the A/C, does anyone know where to search for the answers to this problem and or where the drain tube is before I start pulling the car to bits again! Thanks Mark
22/6/2009 21:30:12  
 

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Hi flamewire. I just PM-ed you back but haven't yet sorted.

The very knowledgeable lozcb informed me that this can happen sometimes when the pollen filter is replaced carelessly. To get at this, I understand that the wipers need to be taken off and then the plastic cover unscrewed - under that is the pollen filter which can then I assume be reseated properly without putting a kink in the drain tube.
22/6/2009 21:40:44  

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Guys, get this probelm sorted sooner rather than later. Had the same issue in my 3200, and by the time i noticed, the water was getting in underneath the passenger footwell carpet and fragged the electrice causing the radio amongst other things to start playing up. A cheap to fix problem that can actually do a lot of harm if left unchecked.
22/6/2009 21:51:03  
 

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Yes I it's now dawning on me that this is more than an inconvenience so will check sooner rather than later (or at least drive around without AC and blower on for a while until I can get sorted).
23/6/2009 11:27:07  
 

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A minor update which may be useful to others...

I checked just now behind the carpet of the passenger footwell, and opened the panel behind which various fuses and electrical connections live. Happy to report that it is bone dry. The passenger carpet is very slightly damp so looks like it has more or less dried out.

Yesterday I noticed for the first time a damp patch under the car which I checked and found was water - this is what it's supposed to do I believe (i.e. the condensate needs to drip away on to the ground somewhere). I didn't use the air-con this morning on the way to work and a couple of hours later there is no damp patch under the car - so possibly their is no more condensate water in the system?

As I have never seen a damp patch until yesterday, is it possible that somehow the drain tube has 'unblocked' itself? I know this sounds like wishful thinking but trying to work out why I never saw a damp patch until yesterday - has anyone else seen this?
23/6/2009 14:17:26  

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WET CARPETS AIR CONDITIOING WATER LEAK FIXED!!!

OK, quite straightforward really. Firstly if you are getting water on the drivers side (UK cars only) then you are at the early stages of a blockage and if you are getting them on the passenger side or you can hear water moving about then the system is fully blocked and full of water. If so then you will need a new pollen filter (DESMO B838 £20-40) before you start taking things to bits as the old one will be full of water. Although the quick fix procedure is worth doing straight away anyway.

Basically it would appear that the drain tube that exists throught the transmission tunnel just by the drivers left foot gets blocked and then the water backs up into the matrix then the pollen filter and then over to the blower motor on the passenger side, leaking out of the seals in the motor or where the wiring for the fan unit is.

Quick Fix
Without removing any trim (although its easier if you remove the drivers side tunnel carpet and mats). There is a big black drain tube that runs from the middle of the tunnel top to where the foot rest is for your left leg. pull the tube up and out and the unit should dispense all the water on to the carpet, so have a cloth ready. Where the tube entered the tunnel there is a square rubber surround with a funnel end that goes to the outside of the car, remove that and you will probably find its blocked where it narrows at the bottom. This is to stop stuff from coming back into the car from outside. I cut the end off mine to stop it blocking again, much easier. Replace the square funnel, check the rubber tube is not blocked by running the fans (in econ mode) and you should be able to feel air pressure thought the tube. If all well then refit the drain hose otherwise check that the drain tube is not kinked or blocked by getting your head in down by the pedals. JOB DONE!
Clean out
If water has got as far as the passenger foot well then you are going to need to clean everything out which is probably a good idea anyway as the original blockage looks to be caused by a small build up of decaying matter that has entered the system from either the internal vents or the outside vent. First off make sure you have a replacement pollen filter DESMO B838 although most motor factors have them listed from the cars make and model. Remove the middle wiper arm with a nut and a small amount of prying. Remove the scuttle panel (lots of screws) only unscrew the top screws a few turns as they have square block connectors on the other side that should pull out and will fall off if you unscrew too much. The scuttle panel hooks under the windscreen so gently ease it out. Disconnect the washer jets or just place it out the way. There is an additional panel with four screws on the passenger side that reveals a mess covering the air intake for the fan, remove all this, clean out the leaves and vac out fan motor to make sure there is no leaves in their. Water was visible in the bottom of the fan motor. Next unbolt the wiper arm mechanism (two bolts) so that you can move it out of the way enough to access the centre panel. Remove the Allen key bolts in the centre panel and the cover which will then allow you to access the pollen filter. The pollen filter is held in place with two bolts and then you need to move the wiper arms in order to get the filter out. Mine was soaked and again full of water and leaves. Clean all of that out (we used a Henry wet and dry vac with a thin hose attachment) and fit the new pollen filter. We also ran a blower into the fan motor area to dry out the area before refitting everything in reverse.

Time will tell if this has been a complete success but as we found a blockage the rest does appear to be logical. I took some pics so will try and upload them at some point to give people a better idea of what to do. Let me know if this helps of if you need something explaining in more detail.
8/3/2010 10:43:25  
 

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Flamewires pics and text as requested -

Shot of car once you have removed the wiper cover and intake grill. The metal cover for the pollen filter can be seen on the left of the photo.




Shot looking down inside the fan motor where water can been seen collected in the base of the unit. Left there and it will rot the electrics for the car.



Shot of engine bay with pollen filter cover removed, note the removal of the wiper motor required to allow you to lift out the pollen filter.




Shot of inside the pollen filter housing, swimming in water and leaves that have worked there way past the fan motor.




Shot of the large black drain tube easily accessed by the drivers left leg foot rest. Check out the wiring loom and the silver a/c collant pipes that can sometimes get condensation on them.




Shot shows the drain tube working back towards the centre of the a/c unit and the circular, remove the drain tube from the rubber surround and then remove the surround.




Shot of drain tube removed and blocked with gunge and the famous words "Made in Italy"




Shot of drain tube cleaned and modified by removing the restrictive end.




Removing all these parts and cleaning out all areas should be a mandatory thing for all owners to do to prevent future issues.

Hopefully this should be enough to help people work it through.

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