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7/5/2009 18:04:22  

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I am travelling to Modena from the 19th May, taking in France, Austria, Switzerland and Italy. I will be driving some of the best roads in the world and wanted to make my car the best it could be for the drive. I will also be upholding the Maserati honour against Lamborghini, Ferrari and the entire DeTomaso clubs of Europe combined, who's event I have crashed.

I thought I might start a thread up here seeing as I am making these modifications to my 4200GT. It's a 2002 car with 63k on the clock, full history and was very standard when I bought it, though as an ex dealer demo it had £8k worth of optional extras on it. Blue Nettuno and a classic Italian tan (cuio) which I haven't seen on another Maser yet. I bought it for the interior alone, wonderful.

First upgrade - Larini backboxes. They gave a lovely noise but with ever so slight boominess in the cabin at 2k rpm but still well worth it. If they gave any extra power (I believe 7bhp claimed?) I didn't notice it, and indeed they might have induced a very slight flatspot at 2500-3000rpm. But very slight and was possibly there before.

After the Llandow trackday (an upgrade to my driving as it turns out) and chatting to Rich and Malcolm I decided on de-catting the car so took it to Prospeed in Cardiff. Due to having precats and big cats they advised just changing out the big cats to sports units to avoid the ECU light coming on and failing the MOT every year. I went in for two visits, the first being for the sports cats which did yield a noticable boost in power (the owner estimated 20bhp?) and the second visit for just an increase in everything   I wanted more noise, chav-in-a-suit that I am.

My centre section was removed and replaced with 4" piping which has given another power boost (estimated total 30bhp or 8%?) and the most incredible noise. The cabin boominess (and flat-spot) has gone to be replaced by an angry burble and very metallic roar up to 3500rpm where it just sounds like a louder version of the noise we all know and love. I am very pleased with it, the wheels lose traction far more easily in 2nd and third and top end power is greatly increased as is in gear acceleration. I believe the power claims and the torque comes for free.

The Larini cost £750 second hand from a forum member (should have been more like £1500) but is worth it for the craftmanship involved. It's a work of art and vastly lighter than the original parts. The sports cats were £460 and the rest of the piping was £100. That concludes the exhaust as far as I can tell, any louder might detract from the car's purpose as a grand tourer. As it is, at 80-90mph it's as quiet as it needs to be, quiet conversation is just fine.

The next steps start this Saturday at Emblem. After a lot of talk with Jeff Roelands from Formula Dynamics I ordered the air filter, the brake pads, the ECU module, the drive-by-wire module, the sports springs and the wheels spacers. I have paid extra to have 2 sets of rear spacers, both 15mm and 25mm as I am nervous about wheel arch scraping. I will try the 25mm first and hope they fit, if not I will make do with the 15mm. If they do fit, there will be a set of 15mm spacers for sale in the classifieds! These have been sent with all the bolts needed too, somewhere north of US$5800 in total. Combined with the exhaust... I don't know how the car can fail to have a lot more power. I am not going to start throwing out wild guesses though

With the assistance of fellow forum member Loz, I am trying to find a Gransport front and rear bumper assembly. I won't be fitting the surfboards on the side as I believe this is what defines the GranSport visually and I want something that goes like it but is different. We've had a couple of near misses but I'm ever hopeful of some luck - but Monday 11th may is the deadline for the paintshop so time's a tickin'. I may be making the drive in a standard looking car

To complete the look, I ordered some 19" wheels from some chaps in Essex (DGT wheels) very helpful and did me a deal, £1300 for 4 wheels, with 4 x Goodyear F1 Asymmetrics, 235 front and 275 rear (hence my worry about spacers causing rubbing). These are due to arrive at Emblem any day, I have bought them based on a small picture so fingers crossed they look good!

The car will be lowered by as much as I can get away with, probably 12-15mm or so. This should be OK with the stiffer springs and 19" wheels and just to keep everything where it should be, the geometry will be set again. The cars should then handle and drive like a GranSport but with more power and of course the manual gearbox who's long throw and awkward second I have come to enjoy as a challenge - reminds me of older cars, none of this snickety-snick accurate Japanese stuff

I will be travelling to Emblem this Saturday and then collecting the following Saturday, hopefully with it all finished. Anyone up for a coffee at either end?

I'll update this thread when I know a little more...



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Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
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7/5/2009 18:31:45  

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In vested in new gloves by anychance Lewis    oh and your own personal bucket and chamois

regards loz


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7/5/2009 19:28:45  

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Bloody hell you weren't jocking when we spoke in Bristol...you have gone to town. Should be a beast and look forward to seeing on track at Goodwood...don't forget pics when completed.
7/5/2009 19:37:58  

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When I purchased my 4200 it had a bog standard exhaust system on it. After a while I had issues with 'flat spots' too, but I could not be sure. I thought it was me just imagining things or being overly fussy. When I had the car MOT tested the tester prodded the cat sections and could hear slight rattling, but still passed okay. My car was diagnosed later by a specialist as having the common 4200 issue of degrading cat cores. Whereby bits of the internal cat core break up and dissapear off down the rest of the exhaust, causing blockages and the car to run a little off. Can you imagine that flat squashed section under the rack getting a blockage - no wonder the car had a flat spot :) Anyways, I fitted a set of new Maser cats at vast expense (ouch!) and then all was good. No more flat spot issues. Yay. 

Shortly afterwards I had Larini rear boxes added on my 4200 and they did sound awesome too! Adding sports cats or the sports centre piece was out of my budget after purchasing the factory Maserati cat replacements (Larini had not developed their parts for those components then). No cabin boom either though, as you say. 

Tubi or Larini rear boxes are a must on these cars, but by goodness your car must sound epic now Marcos!
7/5/2009 19:39:32  

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WE NEED PICTURES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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8/5/2009 1:30:06  

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Excellent work and ideas! The car will be substantially more reactive and powerful, you'll love it!

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8/5/2009 7:49:19  

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In vested in new gloves by anychance Lewis    oh and your own personal bucket and chamois

regards loz



I'll be taking my gloves to Italy, the locals will love me

Different pair for every day of course...

And I still won't be cleaning the car, plenty of folk about who do a better job than me for a fiver. Time is money apparently.

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Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
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8/5/2009 7:51:09  

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Tubi or Larini rear boxes are a must on these cars, but by goodness your car must sound epic now Marcos!


Yes, it does  Still can't quite believe how good, found myself driving with windows down everywhere now! 

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Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
Jaguar S-Type 4.0
9/5/2009 17:45:37  

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That's it, the car is now at Emblem to be collected next Saturday! Myles is sure the work can be completed providing my wheels turn up (no signs yet and it's been a while, hmm... need to call DGT)

Opened up my early/late Christmas pressies from Jeff at Formula Dynamics and the stuff looks great quality, loving my red powder coated springs to go with my red brake calipers Spacers are VERY light in great quality ally, all in all looks like top notch stuff. More next Saturday when I get it back, should be an interesting 87mile drive back from Emblem. Fingers crossed for dry weather on brand new waxy tyres Wish I'd bought the sway bar from them now, too late for this trip but will have it before Goodwood.

As mentioned on Loz's parallel thread, I conned him into giving me his bumper with the proviso that we get him another by whatever means, even if new has to be ordered. I will be parked in the pedestrianised town centre of Modena on the 23rd May the sole representing Maserati (special permit from the Italian plod) so I desperatly wanted the car to look as good as it possibly could. This will help hugely in making a beautiful car look absolutely stunning and with the wheels/springs/calipers etc, it's a one-off, even if only slightly different.

I also expect to hold my own against the Gallardo Spyder I'm travelling down with, but as to the Pantera GTS... well it's got 550bhp, weighs 1200kg and was the fastest up Brooklands hill at Sundays Auto Italia. Best to pick your battles and that's one for the Marcos another time (880kg and 400bhp when it's running right, tough call) Roll on Classic Le Mans and some more classic battles with the people with more money than me

And I owe a debt of gratitude to Loz here, next beers/grub on me matey

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Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
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9/5/2009 17:47:10  

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WE NEED PICTURES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


Aha, I don't have a camera... but Emblem do! I will get that sorted, they love taking photos down there! I will ask for some before and after shots.

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Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
Jaguar S-Type 4.0
9/5/2009 18:19:58  

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As mentioned on Loz's parallel thread, I conned him into giving me his bumper with the proviso that we get him another by whatever means, even if new has to be ordered........And I owe a debt of gratitude to Loz here, next beers/grub on me matey


Yet again Loz demonstrates his extremely generous nature. This is the sort of thing that makes me glad I've found this forum - people with a shared interest willing to go the extra mile to help others. Loz, you're a legend and not for the first time. I don't know many people who are as willing as you to offer their time and help so selflessly. Big respec'!
9/5/2009 21:02:15  

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WE NEED PICTURES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


Aha, I don't have a camera... but Emblem do! I will get that sorted, they love taking photos down there! I will ask for some before and after shots.


Lewis,

Ask if they could add it to their 'projects pages' that way we can all see it and it may attract some more busines their way.

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10/5/2009 10:14:41  

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Will do Peter, good idea! I'd like it all on record as well and it'd help if ever there was a resale issue to see that it has all been done properly.

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Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
Jaguar S-Type 4.0
11/5/2009 12:10:31  

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Today's update... DGT had completely forgot about my wheels it seems, just called them and they are still apparently waiting for tyres - it has been almost 2 weeks now for a pair of 275/30/19" Goodyears. That is NOT good enough and I doubt them when they say they'll get them done in time now. Apparently due in to them on Wednesday to arrive at Emblem Thursday. We'll see and I will be phoning them every 15 minutes!

Loz's front bumper was retrieved from the back of the Emblem van where he left it Sunday morning  and that's off to the paintshop today I hope. Eurospares are today denying they have a GranSport rear bumper even though they confirmed they DID have one on Saturday morning. Its hard work when you can never speak to the same person  I'll clear it up with them this afternoon but i think it's just front bumper fun for me now.

And after ordering the two little 'V8' badges for the wings from Eurospares, they sent me... 2 Scuderia Ferrari wing badges instead  Claudio sorting it out today.

I'm going grey

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4200GT - Nettuno with tan
Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
Jaguar S-Type 4.0
11/5/2009 16:00:45  

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So Eurospares have a GranSport rear bumper but the rear valance is missing as is the mesh. I just don't have the time to sort it so it's a project for another day and another scrapyard. The car will have a nice GS front and a standard rear, which Sarah actually prefers so no dramas there.

Turns out the GS grille and Trident emblem which I spent £70 expediting to Eurospares from Modena (2 days guaranteed) turned up today! That's about two weeks, I'm not impressed. Eurospares are refunding me the transit costs, so no worries there and are sending it straight to Emblem's choice of bodyshop www.ross-packard.co.uk/ so we'll see if they're any good at fitting GS bumpers onto 4200s.

I think I'm going to get away with it and the car will be finished, but it's going to be close and no time to test it before I leave for Italy. Bit of a worry

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Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
Jaguar S-Type 4.0
11/5/2009 17:33:59  

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Ross Packard is first class and will do a very good job I'm sure.
Did a full respray on my Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 2 Dealers Collection - one the best examples (if not the best) in the country, so I was a little picky!

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13/5/2009 11:09:21  

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On the wheels front... still no tyres! I bought and paid for these wheels nearly 2 WEEKS ago to be told there would be a 2 DAY wait on the Goodyear F1s. Now apparently they don't make them in 265/30/19 anymore and 'maybe' some tyres from another brand are coming along instead today. So I will have mismatched fronts and rears, I know not a huge drama but I'm not happy. They had better not show up with Kumho or something like that

But I would just rather have them with shod anything than no wheels at all. Spoke at length with a helpful chappie but just didn't seem to be able to make him understand the urgency - I need the wheels at Emblem before spacers can be fitted (not sure whether 15 or 25mm will fit) and getting Geometry done. And then after that, the bumper needs to be bolted on! It's not looking good for Saturday morning, but as ever, chin up

DGT wheels chap says he will have 4 matching tyres on my wheels by the end of today - but I have been hearing that for the last two weeks!

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4200GT - Nettuno with tan
Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
Jaguar S-Type 4.0
13/5/2009 14:19:09  

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And predictably DGT wheels have let me down. 'Guaranteed today' has now changed to 'guaranteed tomorrow', it's a bit like the film the Princess Bride; "This word you keep saying - I think it means something other than what you think it means". If they don't get the tyres in the morning then the wheels can't go on as I am booked in to have the geometry set late Friday afternoon.

Emblem have started the work, apparently there will be some soldering of connections to get the Formula Dynamics ECU in, didn't expect that... Alhough admittedly I wouldn't have known what to expect! The springs are now on the car, calipers off (having them painted red and changing pads) and dampers are moving freely so can be lowered if necessary. Myles reckons that the shorter springs will have lowered the ride enough so maybe no adjustment necessary... guess we'll know when the car gets put back on the ground.

15mm spacres on the front and will try the 25mm at the rear, they'll probably be OK width wise but only one way to find out.

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Lewis

4200GT - Nettuno with tan
Aston Martin DB7 6.0 Vantage Volante
Marcos Mantula GTSpyder 4.6
Lotus Turbo Esprit S3 2.2 - almost finished!
Jaguar S-Type 4.0
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