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4/7/2008 13:02:09  

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Status: offline 		Any one venturing to Silverstone this weekend , or has the above worn it thin for most enthusiasts  like me , cant the bbc give him a game show instead, or channel four put him  in a marathon series of big brother,


Regards loz 

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4/7/2008 14:19:47  

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Great driver but.......after the Canada thing when he should have said 'sorry I made a mistake' instead of all the political waffle it took the edge of for me....thats F1 though. If Schmac had done that a few years back everyone would have said it he did it on purpose and he should have been be castrated.

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4/7/2008 16:18:42  

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Status: offline 		I got offered free tickets this afternoon for tomorrow's qualifying, but I'm moving house so had to turn them down. I'm not too bothered though, as I don't particularly like Silverstone as a viewer's circuit. (went up there for the first time last year to watch the Maseratis in the FIA GT series)

Shouldn't this thread be in another section Loz, or have the F1 regulations changed to allow 4.2 litre engines?  

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4/7/2008 17:33:00  

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Status: online 		I fortunately do like to see Hamilton lose (and Ferrari win) I know he is competitive but he almost cries, that other famous celebrity of F1 (his father)was close to tears.
I will be watching from the comfort of my armchair, the downside of it is I am going to have to look for a bigger TV this weekend, my current 42" doesn't show the whole of Lewis Hamiltons rather big head !!!!!!!
5/7/2008 1:06:43  

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Status: offline 		Andyk, I don't want to get into a procession, sorry F1, conversation here, but if Shmac did it of course it would of been on purpose. The guy was not only a quick driver but also a quick thinker, he would of assessed the situation and decided if it was to his benefit. Remember Monaco for 1 of many examples. Lets hope it rains on Sunday and perhaps it may be worth watching.
5/7/2008 4:43:10  

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Shouldn't this thread be in another section Loz, or have the F1 regulations changed to allow 4.2 litre engines?  
LOL - Classic!

That's really the problem with the British media - Pump 'em up and when inevitably they don't bring home the bacon, trash them. In this case, the sad part and turning point for me is when Ham recalls a phone call from a friend telling him that legends are made like Senna's by winning from the back of grid - Ham didn't of course. Sure the Guy's got talent as his rookie year demonstrates but he didn't lose 2007 as the media pretends, Raikonen won it. Frankly, I am fed up with the sponsor induced spin causing Ham overload 

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5/7/2008 5:35:05  
 

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Status: offline 		Why do we knock British drivers these days?

The likes of Collins, Hawthorn, Moss, and Clark always seem to attract favourable comment, yet Jackie Stewart has had a number of detractors over the years, and attitudes towards Mansell, Damon Hill and Hamilton have at times been positively hostile.

Let’s give Hamilton a break. He’s only 23 whilst Coulthard is now retiring at the grand old age of 37; compare their achievements if you will. OK so Hamilton may have found favour with Ron Dennis at an early age and if that’s not a lucky break I don’t know what is, but in real terms he’s achieved done much more than might have been expected of him at this point. And while I'm sounding off, it's unfair to blame the drivers for the F1 circus and lack of competitive cars. That arrived with the big name sponsors each with a motorhome the size of a small estate, TV rights, and a lust for power on the part of certain players.  

As for the emotional bit, anyone watched Wimbledon this week? Ye Gods, with the amount of grunting, groaning, angst, and tears, one might be forgiven for thinking it was a Roman arena rather than a refined sport

Jmho 

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5/7/2008 5:51:36  
 

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he’s achieved done


I must proof reed
I must prof read
I musst proof read
i must proof read

Ideally before hitting the button, sorreee.

PH
5/7/2008 8:24:49  

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Status: offline 		 How refreshing to see the results of qually, what a totally different attitude by Kovalinen, what a refreshing demina form a worthy pole sitter, one certainly gets the impression that no matter how well he would do he would never allow himself to be totally prostituted by the media and advertising guru's, which is my stance and dislike of Hamilton , he /and his father have allowed and possibly orchestrated his position today , this side of it was always under his control, and to my way of thinking have placed himself in the same catergory as Henman the nearly man, and allowed the media to descibe and put them along side the truly greats who have earned there reps through  consistent achievement     not just constant media exposure ,  without any doubt, he is talented  but so are quite a few other younger drivers who have held back form too much exposure , makes one wonder whether he is now just there for the money  and not necessarily for the want of the world championship crown .      only a few have grasped  where i come from , its such a shame

Jmho

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5/7/2008 13:27:13  
 

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one certainly gets the impression that no matter how well he would do he would never allow himself to be totally prostituted by the media and advertising guru's, which is my stance and dislike of Hamilton , he /and his father have allowed and possibly orchestrated his position today ,


Not so sure I agree with you there Loz. One of the problems these days is that the media is an integral part of international motor racing (F1/Touring Cars/WRC/etc) and that is precisely what sponsors expect so you can't blame the drivers for it. Given the chance, wouldn't you like to pick up the odd £10m or so for becoming a public persona? Hamilton's capitalising on it but don't forget that, unlike Mr Beckham, every time he enters a competitive event he could easily come to serious harm, so it's a case of make it while you can.

Had he not had such a phenomenal first season in F1, everyone's expectation of Hamilton this year would probably have been somewhat lower, but he's now under pressure to match those results while everyone forgets he's still a rookie at that level. Let's see what he's like in a year or two. 

I do agree though that there is too little support for other talented drivers, but hey that's the way of the world, and the same rules apply to other professions which is why I'm not Prime Minister even though I could do much better than the present incumbent.

PH



5/7/2008 18:09:43  

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Status: offline 		Will have to a (nigelo versus vbird  ) and  agree to disagree with you there phil,
I can only go on past experiences , likes of (sir Steve Redgrave , schui, prost senna pele, jimmy greaves,   george best, ) all renowned achievers never had the media coverage before they had achieved  their goals/ notoriety , all now very well respected  ,  then as you say mass media coverage along with mega sponsors came along  really in the last 10/15 years  along with the get rich quick brigade and the andy warhol ( i want my fifteen minutes of fame crowd ) .

Its not rocket science to see that hundreds of wanna be famous  potentials who looked the part , Rich Aspley and the like  are five minute wonders,  they fitted the media bill at the time but without talent so they ended up  exactly that  (five minute wonders and distastefully thought of   ) and i feel Lewis altho talented but not phenomononly so will have the misfortune to follow which i agree will be a shame,     seems to me he's let the passion for a buck overtake his passion for the sport,  because of that i dont think he'll ever achieve the greatness    he'll end up rich for sure    already is probably , personally i wish that he would of waited untill he's achieved some major title before he prostituted himself to the guru's , then he could of had both and been the true peoples champion

jmho

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6/7/2008 0:17:16  

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Status: offline 		What ever I think of Hamilton I would still like to see him win the championship as this country needs a British world champ and he is our only hope for this....I wish he drove for someone else as I'm not a fan of Mclaren either...it's a merc and Ron Dennis thing. 

What everyone thought on moving from Silvertone to Donny then....for me it will mean I'll go to a few more races as it's closer and I must say I love Donnington...although I'm sure it will look nothing like it does today. Also when I went to Silverstone back in 1998 it didn't really rate it. The European tracks I've been to seemed to do it so much better.....That may be because when I've been to a GP in Europe its always been on the back of a holiday maybe.

Interesting that Bernies mate owns Donny...I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.   

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6/7/2008 1:43:22  

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Status: offline 		Cant agree more Andy , your bang on the money ,be great to have another British world champion in motor racing,               forgive me    phil  must have a selective memory coz i cant remember any negative critisism re Mansel and Damon Hill, i remember them with fondness   both having good careers  cut short by The Frank Williams Politics saga, I think Buttons career  could of been better managed  by Williams initially he was well talented and i put button and Lewis in the same catergory, but your probably right Phil  money from sponsors is probably playing too much of a part in  racing  ,     and  the fact its an age thing with me Im afraid the Victor Meldrew syndrome seems to be taking  hold  as the years go by      sorry guys/Masersod  right topic wrong place     just fancied a whinge allow an old'n his foibles


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6/7/2008 3:10:05  
 

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I'm not saying that the audience was permanently hostile to Mansell and co, but too often he was accused of being dour and characterless while some folk liked to think that Damon only got the breaks because of his family connections. That rather misses the point that they were good drivers who each won the world championship. In contrast, the media loved James Hunt because he was colourful and made good headlines even when he lost races; not for nothing was 'shunt' assigned to his name. In the early days Schuey was seen as a bit grey, but that changed somewhat when agressive tactics led to recognition but perhaps for the wrong reaons. 

Hamilton's got everything the press wants; a good 'family' story, as far as I can remember he's the first coloured guy to make it in F1, and he's photogenic. The fact that he is a very talented driver, albeit relatively inexperienced in F1, can easily get overlooked.    

WRT recognition in the lower echelons take a look at this guy:

http://www.jonbarnes.com/profile.htm

I know Jon and he's quiet, unassuming, but tehnically very aware, a highly competent driver, and his results speak for themselves, but he's had tremendous problems getting sponsorship so never got the really big break he deserved. 

As for the N v V-B thing, we'll be fine as long as you remember that I'm not always right, just never wrong lol.

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6/7/2008 3:21:37  
 

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Status: offline 		My few pennies' worth......

Hamilton's media profile is as a direct result of the astonishing performances that he conjured up last year (his first in F1) in the McLaren against a World Champion team mate who he destroyed mentally - because of his performance. He has, I agree capitalised on this. He was fighting off personal sponsorship opportunities - who wouldn't have taken them?

As an achiever - he has done it all up to now. Won all junior formulae that he has contested. Did anyone see his amazing performances in GP2 against the likes of Piquet/Kovaleinen et al?

Loz - Mansell was the "Whinger" remember? Also recall the bile he got in the papers when he accidently hit the kill switch on the final lap of the Canadian GP while waving to fans while leading the race? How does that compare with Hamilton's pit lane shunt? Hill was vilified when he lost the championship in Australia because he wasn't tough enough to fight off Schumacher. Hill was also dropped by Williams in the middle of the season when the papers were all over him. That was in the year he WON the Championship.

Let's get this in perspective - Hamilton is one of our greatest prospects for a British World Champion for years. He is in his SECOND season. It took Mansell quite a few years to get his Championship. Hill the same after trolling around the back of the grid in Brabhams (not qualifying on numerous occaisions). Hamilton, by being in a front-running car is having to learn from his mistakes in the full glare of the Media.

Both Stewart and Moss belive that the kid is the real thing. Lauda and Berger rate him highly as does Prost. Hill and Mansell have also spoken of their respect for the guy and his achievements and believe him to be the real deal.

We can all have our opinions but let's not knock a kid who is undoubtably going to continue his achievements - Karting Champ, Pole at Macau GP in his fouth F3 race agaisnt the world's best, Dominated F3 Euroseries winning 15 of 20 rounds. GP2 champion at first attempt beating Piquet Jr.

Let's hope he delivers later today to get the press off his back.

As for Donnington, great circuit that hopefully won't be sppoiled by Herr Tilke - Bernies wunderkind of the race track. Also needs some way in and out from the M1. Anybody been stuck in queus there for the bike GP's? Bikes take up MUCH less space.

6/7/2008 3:37:00  

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but too often he (Mansell) was accused of being dour and characterless


He was!!

I was a huge Mansell fan back then and a great driver......but he was not the most colourful driver in the paddock.
6/7/2008 8:59:48  
 

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Status: offline 		Perhaps today's performance will soften the criticism?

Look at the wins. Fuji last year, Monaco and now his home GP.

N.B. I am not a paid up Hamilton fan. Simply can't understand the constant negative press and comments on forums like this.

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