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3/10/2008 3:00:16  
 

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Status: offline 		I just had my 4200 detailed by Cambridge Autogleam and it now looks outstanding (pictures to follow) 

One comment that Nathan (the guy that does the cleaning and polishing) made is that the paintwork is extremely hard, in fact it took him a whole day to polish the car.  In his view this was much harder than other cars that he has detailed including Ferrari, Porsche and Aston Martin. This is of real benefit from a protection point of view and probably means that stuff is less likely to bond to the paintwork (including cement dust!).  I was wondering if anyone else had found this with Maser's before?

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Matt
3/10/2008 4:12:00  

Posts: 296
Since: 4/10/2007
Region: Cheshire
Status: offline 		Can't say from personal experience(not needed to cut mine back yet) but elsewhere on here says the paint is soft? or is that only 3200's? If they all have hard paint that is really good news
3/10/2008 11:33:40  

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Region: Chichester, West Sussex
Status: offline 		Yes, had the same comments from my detailer, the Alfa paint is soft as ****** so I was pleasantly surprised!
3/10/2008 14:13:14  
 

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Since: 20/4/2008
Status: offline 		Aren't Maserati's painted in the exact same paint shop as Ferrari? In fact I believe they go down the same line so how would there be a difference?
4/10/2008 4:05:55  


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ORIGINAL: sjn2004

Aren't Maserati's painted in the exact same paint shop as Ferrari? In fact I believe they go down the same line so how would there be a difference?


I don't think that is correct at all.................. I have not been around the Ferrari factory, only the museum outside it, but I have been around the Maserati Factory and watched the 4200 line....the body shells as I recall are manufactured by Ital and delivered pre painted for assembly.

I assume you mean paint line? they certainly don't go down the same manufacturing line they are in different towns.

I am not as familiar with prancing horses but don't think they have bodies by Ital and presume Ital paint the masers rather than transport bare metal shells to the Ferrari factory for painting before then shipping them to Maser factory. They don't rust that much

Apart from that the prancing horse seems to be available only in Red, Blue, Yellow, Silver or Black

As to "hard" that might explain all the chips all over the nose of mine! Like most paints it probably continues to harden with age.

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4/10/2008 4:18:33  

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Since: 7/6/2007
Region: Bulgaria
Status: offline 		>>As to "hard" that might explain all the chips all over the nose of mine! Like most paints it probably continues to harden with age.

Yeah, I had hundreds of stone chips on the nose of the car. Maserati resprayed it for free and I have not had a single chip since then.


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4/10/2008 8:59:07  

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ORIGINAL: Malcolm H

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ORIGINAL: sjn2004

Aren't Maserati's painted in the exact same paint shop as Ferrari? In fact I believe they go down the same line so how would there be a difference?


I don't think that is correct at all.................. I have not been around the Ferrari factory, only the museum outside it, but I have been around the Maserati Factory and watched the 4200 line....the body shells as I recall are manufactured by Ital and delivered pre painted for assembly.

I assume you mean paint line? they certainly don't go down the same manufacturing line they are in different towns.

I am not as familiar with prancing horses but don't think they have bodies by Ital and presume Ital paint the masers rather than transport bare metal shells to the Ferrari factory for painting before then shipping them to Maser factory. They don't rust that much

Apart from that the prancing horse seems to be available only in Red, Blue, Yellow, Silver or Black

As to "hard" that might explain all the chips all over the nose of mine! Like most paints it probably continues to harden with age.


Out of interest, I was watching so program about the Ferrari factory on National Geographic a couple of months ago, and I was surprised to see what appeared to be 4200 shells on some sort of line.

Anyone know what might have been going on? Or, indeed, has anyone seen the same program?

Of course, it could be my eyesight; it's not as good as it was!



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4/10/2008 9:29:10  
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Status: offline 		It could of course have been that he was using a less abrasive compound than he thought therefore seemed to be harder.

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4/10/2008 12:08:30  

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Since: 15/4/2007
Status: offline 		I too had thought that the paint was soft but I bought myself a dual action rotary polisher with a medium cut pad and a medium cut menzerna polish and it took me about 2 days to get the level of finish (swirl marks removed) that I wanted.  I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to detailing my car.
4/10/2008 13:35:30  


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Out of interest, I was watching so program about the Ferrari factory on National Geographic a couple of months ago, and I was surprised to see what appeared to be 4200 shells on some sort of line.

Anyone know what might have been going on? Or, indeed, has anyone seen the same program?

Of course, it could be my eyesight; it's not as good as it was!


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Hmmmm...Poor eyesight...Shells?...612's?

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4/10/2008 16:00:42  
 

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ORIGINAL: maser sod

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ORIGINAL: Malcolm H

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ORIGINAL: sjn2004

Aren't Maserati's painted in the exact same paint shop as Ferrari? In fact I believe they go down the same line so how would there be a difference?


I don't think that is correct at all.................. I have not been around the Ferrari factory, only the museum outside it, but I have been around the Maserati Factory and watched the 4200 line....the body shells as I recall are manufactured by Ital and delivered pre painted for assembly.

I assume you mean paint line? they certainly don't go down the same manufacturing line they are in different towns.

I am not as familiar with prancing horses but don't think they have bodies by Ital and presume Ital paint the masers rather than transport bare metal shells to the Ferrari factory for painting before then shipping them to Maser factory. They don't rust that much

Apart from that the prancing horse seems to be available only in Red, Blue, Yellow, Silver or Black

As to "hard" that might explain all the chips all over the nose of mine! Like most paints it probably continues to harden with age.


Out of interest, I was watching so program about the Ferrari factory on National Geographic a couple of months ago, and I was surprised to see what appeared to be 4200 shells on some sort of line.

Anyone know what might have been going on? Or, indeed, has anyone seen the same program?

Of course, it could be my eyesight; it's not as good as it was!




I saw that as well, infact I recorded on DVD. It was called Megafactories(?) and focused on the 599. I to saw the 4200 bodies going through the same paint shop. My local dealer told me that Masers are painted on the same line as Ferrari's. My car is in Rosso Corsa, it was a out of range colour for a Maserati and attracted a fee of £3500 or so. The dealer thought it funny as it went down the same line as a stack of Ferrari's painted the same but "standard" colour.
5/10/2008 10:06:47  

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Status: offline 		I too believed that Maserati used Ferrari's paint line / shop but have never bothered to have this confirmed so I could be wrong.

However, I have seen the Ferrari shop as part of a private visit to Maranello back in 1986. I had driven a friend from Monaco to collect his 308QV from Ferrari's Modena workshop (long since closed) following a total rebuild after a massive shunt. That car was the factory's 1982 Paris Motorshow exhibit and had some influence on them offering us a private visit whilst in the area. Anyway, the only area I was NOT allowed to take photographs was the paint shop.

Reason? They were painting a batch of highly confidential bodies!! Bloody Fiat Tractor cabs! You really could not make up this stuff but I was very politely told it would upset their "clienti" - Farmer Joe's tractor having a full Ferrari paint job would surely sell more tractors would it not? It was this co-use however that enabled Ferrari being able to persuade Fiat to finance the building of the then state of the art, semi automated facility in the first place - It reputedly cost US$30+ million in 1980s terms albeit with an EU grant.  

Malcolm, these facilities were built to change colour and even paint type quickly and easily so there is no limitation of available colours. With today's technology this would be even less of an issue.

I would be very interested to learn for certain exactly where 3200s and 4200s were / are painted. I will try asking Claudio of Eurospares who has recently obtained some excellent info for me to write an article on crank Thrust Bearings (from Candini and also the ex Chief Engineer of Maserati's Engine shop during the 3200 production run)

hope this helps  

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5/10/2008 10:53:56  


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Status: offline 		"Malcolm, these facilities were built to change colour and even paint type quickly and easily so there is no limitation of available colours. With today's technology this would be even less of an issue."

I know I know  I have had some experience in spraying and even had small time spray shops albeit in furniture and cabinet finishing! It just beggars belief that the Body shells are apparently being shipped from the makers to the paint line, hopefully primered at least being shipped about half built before they are painted then shipped to the factory from the paint shop no wonder the tinworm is so apparent in all things Fiat. Let alone the costs of it all Makes Morgan look streamlined!

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5/10/2008 16:05:07  

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Status: offline 		Malcolm, fully understand where you are coming from but omitted to say that Ferrari's paint shop did the full job including phosphating prior to priming. Have to point out though that I am no expert in bodywork or painting for that matter but the historic problems with "all things Fiat" had its roots in the Russian steel they used in the dim and distant past.

Perhaps Cargo Superintendent Loz can confirm my understanding that the cold rolled steel coils when shipped are supposed to pickled in acid and then dipped in oil and coiled finally being wrapped in protective oiled paper and metal sheet. Maybe the Russians forgot to apply a part of the process or simply over cooked the pickling leading to the problems.

The point is though that prior to Ferrari's paint shop being constructed, all Italian cars had a problem but Ferrari were never anywhere near as bad as Fiat AFAIAK. Their paint shop was designed to stop what probs they did have however.

hope this helps

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5/10/2008 18:34:44  

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Status: offline 		Most of the steel  shipped from north european ports was extremely well crated or containerised, in wax oiled paper, excepting   construction    reinforment steel  which was wire  tied in loose bundles and dunnaged , from what i undertsand from my limited knowledge , was that Fiats along with Datsuns rust fatigue problems were largely due to the use of reclaimed steel ,   its wasnt untill some years after the problem became apparent that it was discovered that certain properties were lost in the smelting process, now as i understand it additives are now added .  but dont quote me    but seems logical, mercedes and porsche had the same problems but started to galvanise their panels before production commenced , i actually worked for Daimler Benz in Stuttgart for a short while in the 70's

regards loz       

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